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    Can the GOP drop the extreme right and survive in this political climate?

    IMO it has to adjust or die. They can't hold steadfast to the ultra conservative bible thumpers ideals just to appease the constituency that would never support a liberal agenda anyway. They need to drop their religious parallels and approach their marketing solely based on economics and intelligent long term big business/small govt theory. Making money>social justice in every household in this country. And eventually people see through dems creating more govt dependency. But IMO they just are losing all credibility with people under 50 because they are carrying this anchor that is the afar right.

    Agree/disagree? What can be done?

    I say you treat the hardcore extreme right like the NFL treats us. They know we won't stop watching so they ignore what we want and just focus on growing the viewership by giving the casual fans what they want. I think what the independent votors want is fiscally conservative leaders who value social reform as well, but prioritize economic/fair market reform over all else.
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    The extreme right wing would be the anarchists, but I digress. The main focus should be on individual freedom - limited Constitutional government IMO. Show how the Democrats and their allies are against individual freedom in favor of all expansive, all powerful federal government. Then point out how incompetent, wasteful, and corrupt the federal government has been under both parties and how giving that government more power & more tax dollars is a bad idea.

    To update my thoughts, the GOP would need an articulate candidate who has a simple message, someone who projects authenticity, strength, and confidence. Get rid of the goobers, nerds, and testosterone deficient.
    Last edited by SOF.Gator; 07-14-2015 at 02:41 AM.

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    So the problem is not an off-the-rack culture that celebrates sick muthafluckers like Bruce Jenner and THIS (click link), its the few people left in this country who haven't completely cashed in their sanity in exchange for political expediency, is this who we call the far right or extreme right, the people who still call perversion and deviancy by its rightful name and are not down with the new "lets see if we can out decadent ancient Rome and maybe top Sodom & Gomorrah while we're at it" enlightenment?

    Well for the record, NO, I'm not prepared to surrender our Christian heritage to a bunch of Cultural Marxist reprobates, and I don't give a f*k if it cost us elections, at least I'll go down fighting for something other than money and material things. By this definition the Founders were a bunch of far right extremists too, because NONE OF THEM would have looked at this decadence and shrugged it off as not worth getting worked up over, that much I know for sure and I don't give a f*k about the revisionist history of the Cultural Marxists that portrays the Founders as a bunch of secularists and moral relativists, thats a f*king lie and anyone with one brain cell in their head knows it.

    So I'll continue to stand with the Founders and our heritage and let the tolerant left long for the day when old fogies like me die so they can usher in Utopia with no resistance, that is if they don't start throwing Christians in jail before I kick, which the Marxist scum ALWAYS gets around to eventually.

    As for the GOP, if they do decide to abandon values voters, I guarantee you that party is dead ... in ten years, tops, it will no longer even exist as a viable political party, because if people are inclined to vote with the Cultural Marxists, they'll always choose the real thing (Dems) over a poor imitation, and there's no way in hell Christians and traditionalists of any stripe are voting for a party them tells them to F*K OFF!!

    Read my signature, step, and meditate on it for awhile, because its growing more and more true in this country every day.

    PC + Repressive Tolerance = Cultural Marxism

    Repressive Tolerance: tolerance of ideas and movements that emanate from the left, but a fierce intolerance of ideas and movements that emanate from the right.

    Its a recipe for repression masquerading as tolerance ... thus, repressive tolerance.

    How people can't see the dangers ahead if we continue down this road is beyond me, but these malevolent muthafluckers are not stopping with political repression or the repression of free speech, that much I can guarantee you, and they're not stopping with suing and bankrupting bakers either.
    Last edited by Green Jets & Ham; 07-13-2015 at 05:36 AM.

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    I am a right winger! I believe in the separation of powers, a flat tax, dumping the IRS, Federal Dept. of Education and I believe in States Rights and shutting down our borders to everyone unless they have a talent we need. One other thing people who receive food stamps or welfare have to work for it or don't get it. The era of the freebie is over.

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    Kinda funny how the moderate right-leaning base is now considered "extreme right".

    See, this is why gay marriage was such a big deal for the left for so long. They knew this would force people to choose sides and usher in all sorts of uncertainty and chaos. It's the ultimate cultural wedge to divide and conquer. And it had to be an edict at the FEDERAL LEVEL, even though 36 states already had it. Notice how no one had any problems with the gay agenda on the state level till it became "law of the land"? Now people are wondering it they will be persecuted for not conforming to this norm. I mean, people opposed gay marriage in principle (and still do), tolerated it, ignored it, and a few fought for it, but now you are either celebrating 'with us or against us' (i.e. You are a Bible-thumping hater or enlightened and loving, as evidenced by your cutsie rainbow Facebook profile pic). It is, in essence, the socially agitating Balkanizer's dream to tear down what's left of modernity and to control the masses.

    That being said, the rallying cry for the tea party had nothing to do with social issues and was all about fiscal responsibility and reform and LIMITED GOVERNMENT in response mainly to the troubling aspects of this TARP era--and still is. The left uses the "culture wars" issues like a club to bash the opposition, and these days they are doing it like never before, but it was always about economics. But the left cannot win on fiscal issues, obviously, so they have to have these diversions and side shows about "equality" and "justice", but they are running out of victims and the "oppressed". Seriously, what are these pressing "social justice" issues in this country? Baking cakes? LOL I think it's an easier sell to show the tides turning to have people of conscience being persecuted soon. Maybe the "millenials" won't care or will cheer this, but only in ignorance and how do you appeal to ignorance other than more delusion? Someone has to stand for truth and real justice, or REALITY. Some one has to stand for freedom and liberty.

    Look at Roe v. Wade. Almost 50 years later and now MORE young people are pro-life than then. What happened? The left has been satisfied with their gains here for a while (even though they still use the "war of women" canard on occasion) and the facts and truth have been able to get out. Hearts and minds have been won over. Not to the point of being radicalized (that's not even the goal) but enough to have a moral compass on these issues. We'll see what happens in the years ahead with this one as the left gets fat & happy with how things are and the truth about the destructive aspects of this movement again gets out. The arguments are eventually won and lost on merit and substance.

    So because the Democrat Media Complex and pop culture have essentially dumbed-down, brainwashed and indoctrinated a generation against reality, the answer is to appeal to these people in a similar fashion and hope their parents vote out of habit? No, that approach hasn't worked at all. And if you have to choose, you want the older generation that is larger and actually votes (when there is a legitimate reason to or a stark contrast in candidates). The youth vote is legit, but not a deal-breaker. Is there a candidate who can appeal to both sides of the divide? I think so, but they will need to be extremely good at explaining precisely what they are for and fending off the attacks and propaganda of the DMC. Not an easy sell at all, but you must have the base. The past two cycles have shown that to be quite clear. You can't put up another lightweight RINO or CINO and hope for a good turnout again. It will not work. You need real grassroots excitement. You either go all in and hope the kids aren't too far gone, or you just concede the country to these radicals and be done with it. The "silent majority" has had an opportunity to be heard in mid-terms (even though it didn't matter much) but they have not had a chance to do so in the Presidential election--because the GOP keeps running phonies and people know it. Young folks don't even know what a real conservative looks like or sounds like because of the RINOs they run and the DMC's caricatures, straw men and propaganda have drowned out reality. Hopefully the debates will be a chance for some truly engaged young people to hear this, but let's just say I am not optimistic with this group. Young people are easily fooled and distracted (just like bots & drones).

    I think you have to appeal to reason and reality, or all is already lost.
    If the GOP had catered to my whims as a clueless 20-something, I may be still voting for the likes of Bill Clinton!
    Last edited by ibleedgreen; 07-13-2015 at 01:35 PM.

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    LMAO, so its the right extreme! news flash steppie..if you disagree with ANY liberal policy YOU ARE A RIGHT WING EXTREMIST

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFL12 View Post
    LMAO, so its the right extreme! news flash steppie..if you disagree with ANY liberal policy YOU ARE A RIGHT WING EXTREMIST
    And actually, it's the crossover folks like steppy who feel stuck in the middle between opposing extremes (when in reality this is true for about 90% of the population) are ambivalent about social issue or feel the tug of the morally relativistic movement who will need to decide if they are going to show up on election day and pull the lever for an old lying Marxist hag or an avowed socialist fossil, or stay home. Would putting up a true Constitutional Conservative cause them to stay home or switch sides? That's the real question. Because with such an obnoxious in-your-face leftist onslaught, there needs to be a distinction between candidates. There needs to be a response to all the corruption, overreach, and upheaval these days. Lightweights like Bush aren't just going to lose, they are insufficient for the times.
    Last edited by ibleedgreen; 07-13-2015 at 03:54 PM.

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    I agree with most of what Steppy is saying. The only way the GOP can take the White House will be to 1) scale back the far right social rhetoric while 2) getting the far right on board and voting (unlike 2012). This is why Trump IMO is actually a viable candidate unless he implodes. He's not overtly anti abortion or anti gay marriage among other controversial social issues. Even his immigration stance is more economically and criminally based then it is a social issue. He's pro 2nd amendment yet doesn't come off beholden to the NRA. Hes a job creator and the most economically qualified candidate on either side. And he taps into the true feelings of many Dems and Indys. The problem with him is he is PART of the very pop culture that has been dragging us down for decades...and while I think he could do a perfectly good job as President, his own celebrity may be what brings him down.

    That said, the GOP MUST find someone who can do what Trump is doing. Appeal to fringe Dems who don't really like Hillary and to Indies who hate her but are afraid of the far right wing of the GOP. The battle for the hearts and minds of the thinking people, of this country must be done quietly and covertly. It cannot be done by trying to play the extremism game during the primary just to appease the far right...especially by a group of career politicians. NO ONE outside of the GOP come general election time will vote for that! It scares too many people! You have to appeal to the center AND the right to win a Presidential election. And to win this battle...you have to "get there" first. Fed up Dems and Indys who are not with the FAR left agenda need to have an alternative that is not an extreme right. Because they will still vote Dem if that's the choice. They wont stay home like the far right did in 2012.

    NYC to me is a perfect microcosm of where we are now as a country. From the late 60s to the early 90s the city was run by libs (yes, Koch was a lib) and it slowly went to crap. Crime, drugs, urban blight, white flight, economic collapse, moral decay...by 1992 there were those that said NYC was finished and never coming back. Then the voters of NYC finally got fed up, went against their liberal instinct and let the GOP take over. it started with a hard ass law and order guy (Rudy) who while not necisasrily a hard right conservative socially, cleaned up the crap and made NY a place people wanted to come to and invest in. and was followed by a smart savy businessman (Bloomberg...also not even close to a far right politician) who continued the social policies Rudy put in place but added in smart economoic development...and NYC experienced 20 years of unprecendented growth. Crime plummeted, real estate values soared, economically the city thrived like it hadn't in 80 years. And then...DeBlasio. Now a SUPER Lib is in there and we are seeing all the strides made in the last 20 years starting to go down the toilet in the name of "equality". Crime is going back up, police are being undermined, guys like Sharpton have a voice again and if DeBlasio is relected, watch NYC tumble yet again.

    To win this country back (or at the very least swing the pendulum back towards a reasonable middle ground), the GOP has to tap into that same frustration that NYC libs felt when they voted in Rudy. Not ALL Dems are hard ass LIbs. IN fact many are more conservative then they will admit publicly. But they will not vote for a far right candidate. The far right of the GOP made a HUGE mistake in 2012 by not supporting Romney. No he wasn't the perfect candidate for them...but he was a HELL of a lot better then the alternative!!!! Until the Tea Party wing realizes that the Ted Cruz of the world cannot win a national election and start understanding that they have to support canddiates who 1) will give them SOME of what they are after and more importantly 2) can actually WIN....the party, and the country, will be screwed. You cant govern if you cant win...you have to get there first ad THEN you can start implementing your beliefs. Just like Obama has...
    Last edited by MSGold12; 07-13-2015 at 02:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSGold12 View Post
    I agree with most of what Steppy is saying. The only way the GOP can take the White House will be to 1) scale back the far right social rhetoric while 2) getting the far right on board and voting (unlike 2012). This is why Trump IMO is actually a viable candidate unless he implodes. He's not overtly anti abortion or anti gay marriage among other controversial social issues. Even his immigration stance is more economically and criminally based then it is a social issue. He's pro 2nd amendment yet doesn't come off beholden to the NRA. Hes a job creator and the most economically qualified candidate on either side. And he taps into the true feelings of many Dems and Indys. The problem with him is he is PART of the very pop culture that has been dragging us down for decades...and while I think he could do a perfectly good job as President, his own celebrity may be what brings him down.

    That said, the GOP MUST find someone who can do what Trump is doing. Appeal to fringe Dems who don't really like Hillary and to Indies who hate her but are afraid of the far right wing of the GOP. The battle for the hearts and minds of the thinking people, of this country must be done quietly and covertly. It cannot be done by trying to play the extremism game during the primary just to appease the far right...especially by a group of career politicians. NO ONE outside of the GOP come general election time will vote for that! It scares too many people! You have to appeal to the center AND the right to win a Presidential election. And to win this battle...you have to "get there" first. Fed up Dems and Indys who are not with the FAR left agenda need to have an alternative that is not an extreme right. Because they will still vote Dem if that's the choice. They wont stay home like the far right did in 2012.

    NYC to me is a perfect microcosm of where we are now as a country. From the late 60s to the early 90s the city was run by libs (yes, Koch was a lib) and it slowly went to crap. Crime, drugs, urban blight, white flight, economic collapse, moral decay...by 1992 there were those that said NYC was finished and never coming back. Then the voters of NYC finally got fed up, went against their liberal instinct and let the GOP take over. it started with a hard ass law and order guy (Rudy) who while not necisasrily a hard right conservative socially, cleaned up the crap and made NY a place people wanted to come to and invest in. and was followed by a smart savy businessman (Bloomberg...also not even close to a far right politician) who continued the social policies Rudy put in place but added in smart economoic development...and NYC experienced 20 years of unprecendented growth. Crime plummeted, real estate values soared, economically the city thrived like it hadn't in 80 years. And then...DeBlasio. Now a SUPER Lib is in there and we are seeing all the strides made in the last 20 years starting to go down the toilet in the name of "equality". Crime is going back up, police are being undermined, guys like Sharpton have a voice again and if DeBlasio is relected, watch NYC tumble yet again.

    To win this country back (or at the very least swing the pendulum back towards a reasonable middle ground), the GOP has to tap into that same frustration that NYC libs felt when they voted in Rudy. Not ALL Dems are hard ass LIbs. IN fact many are more conservative then they will admit publicly. But they will not vote for a far right candidate. The far right of the GOP made a HUGE mistake in 2012 by not supporting Romney. No he wasn't the perfect candidate for them...but he was a HELL of a lot better then the alternative!!!! Until the Tea Party wing realizes that the Ted Cruz of the world cannot win a national election and start understanding that they have to support canddiates who 1) will give them SOME of what they are after and more importantly 2) can actually WIN....the party, and the country, will be screwed. You cant govern if you cant win...you have to get there first ad THEN you can start implementing your beliefs. Just like Obama has...
    I still think Rand is a guy who can do this

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFL12 View Post

    LMAO, so its the right extreme! news flash steppie..if you disagree with ANY liberal policy YOU ARE A RIGHT WING EXTREMIST
    Exactly Right

    What used to be NORMAL is now EXTREME RIGHT, thats how far the Cultural Marxists have defined deviancy down ... and they have the millennials thoroughly indoctrinated, including young Republicans, they were not exempt from the lefts Cultural Marxist indoctrination, once the left controlled academia, big media and entertainment (i.e. the culture), nobody could escape their PC indoctrination, the only reason why the older generation continues to resist is because its more difficult to indoctrinate someone whose worldview was already fully formed, but they got the millennials by the balls, they have them so indoctrinated that they are like Pavlov's Dog, conditioned to respond to certain stimuli (code words) like; tolerance, inclusive, diversity, (marriage) equality etc., ditto the negative stimuli like bigots and haters to demonize the non conformists .... but ALL of this was predicted 30 and 40 years ago by people who had a deep understanding of Marxism and ideological/cultural subversion, like former KGB operative, Yuri Bezmenov, guys like Bezmenov told us EXACTLY where this was headed, he warned that one day you will wake up and you will have an entire generation thats so indoctrinated, their worldview and view of reality so distorted, that they are IMPOSSIBLE to deprogram, they are contaminated and you are stuck with them, and they will bring your society down.

    Its not their fault, I'm not blaming the millennials, if anything its our fault (older Americans) for our own ignorance or complacency or not doing enough to stop it.
    Last edited by Green Jets & Ham; 07-13-2015 at 02:48 PM.

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