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    Donald Trump Raises Uncomfortable Truths

    Donald Trump Raises Uncomfortable Truths

    By David Paulin

    Donald Trump enjoyed a surge in the polls after his allegedly "racist" remarks about how all that diversity from South of the Border is not all it's cracked up to be.

    The brash real-estate tycoon and TV star has struck a nerve, saying things that America's political elites would never publicly admit, with two notable exceptions being Sen. Ted Cruz, the Texas Republican, and former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Both said Trump had made some good points, even if they were expressed in less than diplomatic terms.

    Trump's surge in the polls is being fueled by ordinary Americans. They are applauding or murmuring quiet approval because they probably live in areas that have gotten massive influxes of immigrants -- the majority from Mexico -- over the last decade or two. They know what the score is; that diversity has failed to provide the benefits that political elites said it would. They've seen public schools overwhelmed with non-English speakers, dumbed down, social problems increase, and crime go up -- and it all seems to have a Hispanic face as millions upon millions of immigrants have flooded over the border. Now at long last, they see Trump telling it like it is -- even if his remarks were undiplomatic and, well, not all that presidential. Trump says many Mexican immigrants are losers -- part of Mexico's social problems that the country's elites are glad to “dump” on America. “When Mexico sends it's people, they are not sending its best,” Trump said. True or false?

    Short answer: True.

    Most Mexican immigrants, legal and illegal, are high school or grade-school dropouts, according to the data; and their offspring continue to be underachievers. On the later point, Harvard political scientist Samuel P. Huntington revealed some disquieting statistics in his must-read book, "Who Are We: The Challenges to America’s National Identity."

    Citing statistics from the 1990 census, Huntington noted that high percentages of Mexican-Americans, from one generation to the next, lack high school diplomas. The first generation without diplomas was 69.9%; the second generation, 51.5%; the third generation, 33.0%; and fourth generation, 41.9%.

    That last figure, incidentally, isn't a typo. The fourth generation is less educated than the third. So much for assimilation. Those dropout rates are far higher than America's overall dropout rate: 23.5% for all Americans, except Mexican-Americans.

    Mexico's Peasant Culture

    What accounts for such underachievement? Where do these losers come from in Mexico? Statistics are hard to come by (it seems nobody wants to back up claims that all that diversity is a plus); but it's probably safe to say that millions of these underachieving immigrants are from Mexico's peasant culture. It's a backward culture -- one characterized by a "cycle of poverty" going from one generation to the next. It's a culture in which education is not value; a culture whose members even have trouble taking care of themselves.

    This culture has long vexed Mexico's development specialists, just as their counterparts in LBJ's “Great Society” programs were vexed by America's underclass. In Mexico, the social engineers have tried for years to bring Mexico's peasant culture forward. However, it has been a veritable quixotic effort, described in an in-depth report on PBS's NewsHour, which told how Mexico's development specialist were implementing innovative programs to encourage Mexico's peasant class to adopt middle-class values. Interestingly, NewsHour's report noted that economic incentives used for this purpose were given only to women -- not men -- for fear that the men would use the money to buy booze and tobacco, rather than taking care of their families. Yes, that was actually reported on the left-leaning NewsHour. Imagine the outrage if Trump had been so politically incorrect as to say that.

    Incidentally, one of the pathologies of this peasant culture is that education is held in low regard. This has drawn much social criticism from Mexican intellectuals, including Mexican journalist and social critic Carlos Monsivais who, in a Los Angeles Times op-ed, wrote:

    "Whether it is a byproduct of a traditional Catholicism that fears reading 'because it poisons the soul' or rooted in the popular belief that ‘licenciados’ (a professional with a degree) exist only to exploit people, it is quite common for Mexican families to harbor anti-intellectual attitudes, which, in turn, shape their responses toward education.”


    Well, no wonder that U.S. schools with high numbers of Hispanics are suffering high rates of truancy, teenage pregnancies, and low academic achievement.
    Trump said that Mexico is sending many members of its criminal class to America. He declared, “They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists.” True or False?

    Short answer: True.

    Good statistics, to be sure, are unavailable on crime involving legal and illegal immigrants; the government seems not to be interested in such data, observed Ann Coulter in her book, Adios, America: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole.

    Even so, ordinary Americans in sanctuary cities across the country can't help but notice what seems to be an increasingly Hispanic face of crime, including by illegal immigrants. And recently, Americans were given a human face for this run-away crime, embodied in the lovely Kathryn Steinle, age 32, who was shot to death in a touristy part of San Francisco by an illegal Mexican immigrant with a long rap sheet. Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, age 45, had been deported five times. He was wanted on drug charges. And not surprisingly, he sought refuge in San Francisco, a sanctuary city like some 200 other state and municipal jurisdictions across the country. Lopez-Sanchez had been detained and released by San Francisco authorities who, in line with San Francisco's sanctuary-city policy, refused to honor a federal “immigration detainer” against him.

    Crime Statistics

    In looking at crime statistics, you must tease out the figures on crime by illegal immigrants -- and that's just what Coulter did in Adios, America, she wrote, “The available data suggest that the crime rate among immigrants is astronomical.” Among the alarming statistics Coulter revealed was that in 2006, “nearly a third of the 2 million prisoners in state and local facilities that year were foreign born. Piecing together state and federal reports, it appears that half the correctional population in California consists of illegal aliens.”

    These statistics no doubt reflect what ordinary Americans have been seeing up-close or suspected when regularly seeing crime reports in local media outlets that, alas, seldom fully explain what's really going on. Trump is trading in snappy one liners that are commanding national attention; Coulter's book says the same thing and pulls together statistics to back up her claims that America is indeed being turned into a Third World dump thanks to its immigration policies. “The problems stemming from unchecked immigration are all over the news. You'll just never be told they are problems of immigration,” she writes.

    Trump stirred particular outrage by stating that “rapists” are included among more than a few illegal immigrants from Mexico. True or false?

    Probably true.

    Again, statistics are hard to come by, but anybody living in a sanctuary city -- I live in Austin, Texas -- can't help but notice the Hispanic face of sexual assaults reported by news outlets. What might account for this? The answer, again, is probably rooted in Mexico's backward peasant culture. This culture was the subject of a Pulitzer-Prize winning article in the Washington Post -- “In Mexico, an Unpunished Crime” -- about how rape was a veritable courtship ritual in Mexico. Reporter Mary Jordan recalled a conversation with “elders” in a village in Guerrero state, during which she asked how they punish rape. She wrote, “The six men looked confused, as if they did not know what the term meant. When it was explained to them, they all laughed and said it sounded more like a courting ritual than a crime.” How ironic that liberals welcome such a culture with open arms when its members come illegally to “El Norte.”

    Obtaining good statistics on crime by illegal immigrants also is complicated by another fact. Increasingly, law-enforcement authorities classify Hispanic criminals as “white.” This is reflected in the “Texas 10 Most Wanted” which is dominated by Hispanic men who are described as “white males.”


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    IBG (and others), watch this interview, I can't remember the last time I saw someone on the Republican side handle a liberal reporter as well as Trump did here. By the end of the interview this girl looks like she wants to have his children, so thoroughly did he put her in her place, but he did it with smart answers, not just sarcasm, though the sarcasm is hysterical, like when she stumbles over her talking points (his response is hilarious), or when she gets into the bleeding heart crap about civilian casualties in a discussion on how to deal with ISIS, another priceless response and it even makes her giggle like a lovestruck teenager, even though he's basically telling her to get real.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-DSfvYCKwY
    Last edited by Green Jets & Ham; 07-10-2015 at 01:35 PM.

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    July 9th – A new YouGov poll shows Donald Trump now leading the GOP race for president. This has donor class Republicans freaking out! RNC Chairman Reince Priebus called Trump yesterday and begged him to tone it down on immigration. Priebus must not have liked these quotes: 1) "Our borders have overflowed with illegal immigrants placing tremendous burdens on our criminal justice system, schools and social programs.” 2) "Safeguards like welfare and free medical care are in place to boost Americans in need of short-term assistance. These programs were not meant to entice freeloaders and scam artists from around the world.” & 3) "Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally." Except this isn’t Trump. When Dem Harry Reid said this in 1993 there were only 3-4M illegal immigrants. Today there’s at least 3 times that. The Republicans won landslides in both 2010 & 2014 and yet have done little they promised. So GOP … don’t want Trump as your nominee? Or worried he’ll run as an independent? Then you better start respecting your voters! P


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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    IBG (and others), watch this interview, I can't remember the last time I saw someone on the Republican side handle a liberal reporter as well as Trump did here. By the end of the interview this girl looks like she wants to have his children, so thoroughly did he put her in her place, but he did it with smart answers, not just sarcasm, though the sarcasm is hysterical, like when she stumbles over her talking points (his response is hilarious), or when she gets into the bleeding heart crap about civilian casualties in a discussion on how to deal with ISIS, another priceless response and it even makes her giggle like a lovestruck teenager, even though he's basically telling her to get real.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-DSfvYCKwY
    It's sad that we need a divisive business tycoon to stand up to these talking heads, refusing to fall for the snares and BS and idiotic talking points.

    Most of our politicians are scared rabbits busy lining their nests.

    Very few can do what Trump is doing here, Cruz comes to mind. And Trump's biggest asset is his wealth, which allows him to function without special interests pulling the strings.
    Last edited by ibleedgreen; 07-10-2015 at 02:19 PM.

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    this is great stuff. Go Trump!

    the uncomfortable truth is that the GOP base has views that are incompatible with winning a general election. There's a reason why Reince Priebus is panicked. Go ahead, nominate him. Or at least let him hang around long enough to keep saying disgusting things and all the GOP'ers nod their head in agreement.

    There's not enough "ordinary people" to win elections like that anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    this is great stuff. Go Trump!

    the uncomfortable truth is that the GOP base has views that are incompatible with winning a general election. There's a reason why Reince Priebus is panicked. Go ahead, nominate him. Or at least let him hang around long enough to keep saying disgusting things and all the GOP'ers nod their head in agreement.

    There's not enough "ordinary people" to win elections like that anymore.
    Yep, too many Americans are only too willing to be exactly what your side thinks of them -- STUPID.

    Your side prefers lying, corrupt, racist types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ret2ski View Post
    Yep, too many Americans are only too willing to be exactly what your side thinks of them -- STUPID.
    Too many Americans are brown and black for the Trump show to win. That's the reality.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    Too many Americans are brown and black for the Trump show to win. That's the reality.

    Has nothing to do with my post. Your side has publically stated that they are counting on the "stupidity" of the average voter. That's a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    Too many Americans are brown and black for the Trump show to win. That's the reality.

    So you are essentially saying that "black and brown" voters are inherently racist and base their vote mainly on skin tone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibleedgreen View Post
    So you are essentially saying that "black and brown" voters are inherently racist and base their vote mainly on skin tone?
    Not really. When you attack someone, call them rapists and criminals, they aren't going to vote for you. That's the lesson here. The voting public doesn't look like the GOP party. Our nation is more diverse than that.

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