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    false equivalence

    every Christian needs to be familiar with this term, and sniff it out its the number one cheap tactic being used by the media , politics and the left

    facts dont matter

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    Oh, you mean how Gunderhead fallaciously equates/conflates anarchist skinheads with tea party folk by way of having a similar-but-not-the-same goal?

    Or how Barack Obama implores a group of college grads to reject voices that warn of tyranny (i.e. big Govt) as an indictment on our "self government experiment"?

    Or how liberal theologians, who are really progressive activists first and foremost (e.g. Jim Wallace), take the term "social justice" and twist the Scriptures to a soft Marxist utopia?

    check, check and check

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibleedgreen View Post
    Oh, you mean how Gunderhead fallaciously equates/conflates anarchist skinheads with tea party folk by way of having a similar-but-not-the-same goal?

    Or how Barack Obama implores a group of college grads to reject voices that warn of tyranny (i.e. big Govt) as an indictment on our "self government experiment"?

    Or how liberal theologians, who are really progressive activists first and foremost (e.g. Jim Wallace), take the term "social justice" and twist the Scriptures to a soft Marxist utopia?

    check, check and check
    And, Numero Uno, Fundamental Christianity is dangerously simiar to Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFL12 View Post
    And, Numero Uno, Fundamental Christianity is dangerously simiar to Islam.
    Oh yes, "fumdamentalist" is exhibit 'A' for activists looking to demonize conservative Christians. They all use this pejoratively. To be a "fundy" is to be backward, ignorant, closed-minded, and quite likely wicked. So by slight of hand a "fundamentalist" Islamofascist jihadist makes a nice conflation for them. Or even better, the "Taliban" (more sinister, less political, safer for them).

    This goes into the issues I was describing in Christianity and Liberalism by J. Gresham Machen the other day. The Fundamentals was published and distributed between 1910-1915 to millions of clergy and laymen. In those pamphlets, they went into great detail and nuance of various issues. But here are the five chief tenets their adversaries like to attack and caricature:
    The Fundamentals and modernism

    Main article: The Fundamentals


    A fourth stream—the immediate spark—was the 12-volume study The Fundamentals, published 1910-1915. Sponsors subsidized the free distribution of over three million individual volumes to clergy, laymen and libraries. This version stressed several core beliefs, including:


    • The inerrancy of the Bible
    • The literal nature of the Biblical accounts, especially regarding Christ's miracles and the Creation account in Genesis
    • The Virgin Birth of Christ
    • The bodily resurrection and physical return of Christ
    • The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross
    It is one and two that are most often attacked and vilified, but there are many forms of these beliefs ranging from hard to soft. For example, our denomination uses the term "plenary inspiration" to account for the message of the Bible being inerrant in the writers having divine inspiration, while taking into account textual copying errors that do not alter the original intended meaning or message one iota. So, fallible humans influenced by the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible.

    Number two is number one for progressive Christians on the attack, but again the views on Genesis are varied, esp. with regards to the age of the earth. But make no mistake, those who like to raise these battles do so for political reasons and to lower the authority of the Bible.

    Interestingly, I had a conversation with my son (14) on the age of the earth the other day, as his school teaches YEC, and was lead to post this on Facebook:

    I have always admired the quote from an unknown author which says, "Don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out". Well, it turns out the opposite end of the spectrum is sounds advice as well; namely, don't be so closed-minded that your brain isn't being used.

    Critical, free thinking takes both ends into account. Without honesty, discernment and humility the urge will be to confuse the settled with the never-will-be settled. One should hold confidently to convictions, but not so tightly as to strangle reality.

    "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding."

    -- Proverbs 9:10 HCSB
    Then a reply after Sunday morning worship:
    Pastor David cited this in his sermon today:

    "And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God."

    -- Philippians 1:9-10 NIV

    Exactly.

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    Fallacious False Equivalance < True Equivalance

    First thanks to IBG for deciphering this rather abstract view -- so according to AFLogix as interpreted by IBG, Gunderhead's running fallacy by you all. This certainly cannot be the case, rather isn't it something you might have "read into" my arguments? For example, when it became known that Social-Democratic Nations were the Most Prosperous and I posted a list, everybody fell into delusions that I had been drawing comparison between nations, right? Where did that come from? Unless I am some kind of unknowingly that is, magician, I would at least like AFL or IBG to provide a link from one of those posts I wrote up here that "conflates/equates" y'all TEA partiers with far-right, radically bent, dyed in the wool, Posse Commitatus, or Tax Protestors having "Christian Identity" beleifs.

    Come on man, I put up a link that explains the nature within, the culture, the false Christian takes of all them lunatic fringe groups.

    All I said in some follow up matter amounted to, nobody here has ever demonized them like they do to BHO, nor even denounced any of their ideologies at all. No-Body!

    I mentioned it would be easy for radicals to smoothe one by the IRS by couching a false return in tax-exempt TEA / PAC terms, which I would not put past them.

    And I say, you all are well aware of their presence... but ya just look the other way... What is that? Eh?

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    You accuse us of putting words in your mouth, so how about you explain your pathological tea party hatred and smear campaign you have expounded upon since coming to this forum in detail? That way we won't have any chance to speak for you.

    The floor is all yours " 'bro"...

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    It's really a shame anyone feels this way. To generalize one group as a target is a classic marx, communisitic tactic and Lewinski's. Leftists like lew also swallow.

    There's facts and there's a dream-World created by fascists. Guaranteed g is receiving our tax dollars and buying cigs, beer and paying for the right to post.

    Honestly I know what he looks like and like all libs he's ugly.

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    Let's Try this Again

    I think the TEA Party has a certain rationale to it, its not a hate-manifested thing and I don't think its directly rooted to the list of hate groups and so on that I frequently post. Okay, now how about doing your part....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gundermerikan View Post
    blah bla bla...I'd at least like... IBG to provide a link from one of those posts I wrote up here that "conflates/equates" TEA partiers with far-right, radically bent, dyed in the wool, Posse Commitatus, or even Tax Protestors having "Christian Identity" beleifs.
    I was actually asking IBG to furnish the evidence against me. Got it?

    But why be so mean Gunderhead!!?? Put the guy thru all kinds of searching for it, when I know doesn't exist in the first place. That's the way it works if you make accusation you got to have evidence.

    I give some of you all too much credit, too much I tell ya.

    By the way, nobody else has ever denounced Fascism, maybe b/c they don't want to interrupt the group solidarity thing here. I mean, for all you know, it could be that one or more frequent posters are fascist militia type. But that is evidently of no concern at all to I-B-G.

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    That's a non-answer. I asked for a detailed explanation why most of the cr@p you post here targets tea party folk, conservatives and "right-wingers" as villains, and all I get is it, "... has a certain rationale to it." Really? WTF is that supposed to mean? I'll tell you .. NOTHING!

    Please, you want me to articulate your psychosis but I have no freaking idea why you are a freaking leftist tool, nor do I care for that matter. I have no idea why you waste all your time on socialist, communist, leftist websites and such, but it does tell us why you are so ridiculously deluded and obscurantist.

    Your latest hangup is this nonsense about denouncing fascism, but here's the thing, it's empty fear mongering--as I have stated before. Even this latest post implicates some here as white power or whatever. Just STFU already and get a freaking clue FOR ONCE!!!

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    Perfect Example

    Quote Originally Posted by ibleedgreen View Post
    That's a non-answer. I asked for a detailed explanation why most of the cr@p you post here targets tea party folk, conservatives and "right-wingers" as villains, and all I get is, "...it has a rationale to it.." Really? WTF is that supposed to mean? I'll tell you .. NOTHING!

    Please, you want me to articulate your psychosis but I have no freaking idea why you are a freaking leftist tool, nor do I care for that matter. I have no idea why you waste all your time on socialist, communist, leftist websites and such, but it does tell us why you are so ridiculously deluded and obscurantist.

    Your latest hangup is this nonsense about denouncing fascism, but here's the thing, it's empty fear mongering--as I have stated before. Even this latest post implicates some here as white power or whatever. Just STFU already and get a freaking clue FOR ONCE!!!

    I think I made this perfectly clear, just as I did with my pro-life position...



    TEA Party has a certain rationale to it, it is not a hate-manifested thing and I don't think its directly rooted to the list of hate groups and so on.


    Don't miss that by providing this constant singularly-focused attack at me, IBG provides cover for any far-right propagandist to continue posting here.

    Who can read that above remark and miss that canned anger - He & many others post frequent anti-Left propaganda vignettes. Usually they mention Liberals in general are Marxist or communist-associated. This to me is more than your standard Republican political conversation.

    False Equivalance? I don't think so. A singular, consistent, one-size fits-all vehemence at communists or Marxism for a wide variety of general issues-moral and economic atrophy, increased government debt and tax burdens, etc. is an positive indicator of a right-wing extreme position, fact pure and simple. The Soviets are gone for twenty years now and counting... Chavez and Castro are no threats. How do they explain this position?

    Their posts are either canned off some far-right thinktank or blog, remarks are to a minimum and laced with lividity or else you get a long and winding ideological explanation of something that the liberal media does in order to offend somehow, their sensibilities.

    Take a long look at where the some of posts or links came from, and then just post some related material from the same exact source and well, they don't take to that either.

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