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    Can someone explain...

    The phenomenon whereby Jimmie Garapolo, who came from a spread O in smallish college and has played in exactly 1.5 NFL games is worth a high 2nd round pick in a trade, AJ McCcaron who was a 5th round pick with a questionable arm and has barely played in the NFL is worthy of a mid 2 AND a mid 3 in a trade, yet Bryce Petty who came from major college program, was a 4th rounder and has a prototype NFL skill set isnt worth a bag of deflated f-ing balls on the open market and Chrisitan Hackenberg, who was once considered for the #1 overall pick in the draft and was eventually taken in rd 2 is worth even less????

    Could it be that its not that this franchise cannot pick the right QB but rather that they dont have the first CLUE onn how to develop one? Even if for nohting more then trade value???? backup QBs with any potential get traded for all the time, yet our guys either flop and get cut or just toil away in obscurity until we let them go. So many teams have traded numerous backup QBs over the years. When the last time we got anything decent for one of ours? Matt Robinson?
    Last edited by MSGold12; 11-02-2017 at 06:37 PM.

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    Seems Jets "coaching" actually makes young QBs worse.

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    How do you explain the unexplainable?

    -Multiple owners
    -Many GM's & front offices
    -Many HC's & coaching staffs
    -Multiple opportunities to get a FQB with no success
    -etc, etc, etc!

    How do you explain that even though a blind squirrell will eventually find an acorn, it's always the SOJ?

    How do you explain that a stopped clock is right twice a day, but the Jets never are?

    There is one & only one possible explanation!

    There is one & only one possibility!

    There can be no alternative theories!

    The Namath curse is real, it exists, and it will last to eternity!
    "On to 2017"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSGold12 View Post
    The phenomenon whereby Jimmie Garapolo, who came from a spread O in college and has played in exactly 1.5 NFL games is worth a high 2nd round pick in a trade, AJ McCcaron who was a 5th round pick with a questionable arm and has barely played in the NFL is worthy of a mid 2 AND a mid 3 in a trade, yet Bryce Petty who came from major college program, was a 4th rounder and has a prototype NFL skill set isnt worth a bag of deflated f-ing balls on the open market and Chrisitan Hackenberg, who was once considered for the #1 overall pick in the draft and was eventually taken in rd 2 is worth even less????

    Could it be that its not that this franchise cannot pick the right QB but rather that they dont have the first CLUE onn how to develop one? Even if for nohting more then trade value???? backup QBs with any potential get traded for all the time, yet our guys either flop and get cut or just toil away in obscurity until we let them go. So many teams have traded numerous backup QBs over the years. When the last time we got anything decent for one of ours? Matt Robinson?
    I was already prepared to answer one way, until you then added the 2nd paragraph adding the Jet's lack of development skills with these QBs. So i'm gonna give a nice long winded multiple answer anyway. LOL

    I always talk about how high end prospects can be traded for pretty much their draft slot value if they have NOT played. But once they start getting PT their value becomes true to the NFL. They start to raise their value if they play well and lose it if they flop and stumble. Thus, we are having debates about trading a 2nd for Cousins before he really played much (if at all) regular season games. AJ McCarron plays a little bit and looks good, he is immediately more valuable then his draft slot. Bryce Petty plays and looks talented but lost and his value drops. Hackenberg looks lost, his value is zippo. This is why I believe if SF continues to lose, bad enough to STILL LAND a top 2 pick, they very well may pick the QB and then trade him away if JG earns the long term contract in 2018 and if he doesn't they turn it over to the blue chip stud and only lost a 2nd for the added odds of finding FQB.

    But then... you made it about the Jets ability to develop a QB. I think there is NO QUESTION we have not added HCs in this organization (since Tuna I'd say) that have even a hint of a clue how to develop a QB. Herm?? LOL Mangini? maybe he could have but we'll never know. Rex?? 100% defense and NEEDED our top 5, fringe blue chip QB to just do it on his own. he didn't. And now Bowles?? The worst of em all. 100% defense, except he can't even handle that side of the ball properly. The Toilet needs to be flushed after this season, period!!!

    My last point, i still think that the guys who TRULY become FQB already had that special head and no amount of developing is going to create that in a guy that never had it to begin with. IMO Sanchez is a perfect example. He was Captain Panic from day 1, and no coach was EVER going to make him NOT BE that. He just needed to experience enough TIGHT moments in his career to have that trait come out fully, and boy did it. But forget about FQB, let's just talk about developing the guys who become fringe starters or just career backups. For the BOAT LOADS of lower round QB picks this franchise has made there are like NONE of these guys out there. Except Sanchez who is technically a FAILURE to have become a career backup when he was a fringe blue chip and maybe Kellen Clemens who was primarily developed under Mangini until Rex came and we turned it over to Sanchez. But even still with Clemens he is not a "strong" backup type QB, like Fitz or McCown or Hoyer. He's like a 25th, 26th option to be your backup QB. And Geno, TBD.

    So yeah, this hiring of first timer HCs MUST END!!! We have run out of options for this franchise. We need to throw money at this problem once and for all. We need a damn HC with a track record and we need to find a way to get a legit blue chip QB prospect on the roster for that HC to develop. Throw whatever it takes at Harbaugh or Gruden, or if you want to go a little less track record, how about a Todd Haley?
    Last edited by JWilly; 11-02-2017 at 05:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ret2ski View Post
    How do you explain the unexplainable?

    -Multiple owners
    -Many GM's & front offices
    -Many HC's & coaching staffs
    -Multiple opportunities to get a FQB with no success
    -etc, etc, etc!

    How do you explain that even though a blind squirrell will eventually find an acorn, it's always the SOJ?

    How do you explain that a stopped clock is right twice a day, but the Jets never are?

    There is one & only one possible explanation!

    There is one & only one possibility!

    There can be no alternative theories!

    The Namath curse is real, it exists, and it will last to eternity!
    The Jets "culture" transcends these changes because there are people who stay from regime to another.

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    They said about the Red Sox....

    And the Cubs....

    Just sayin....

    Ret, can you live to 126 year old?????

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