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ret2ski
05-16-2012, 11:41 AM
I did chuckle a bit when reading this , but I would have been LOLing if it wasn't so dead on accurate

New York Jets: How NOT To Develop A Young Quarterback (http://turnonthejets.com/2012/05/new-york-jets-how-not-to-develop-a-young-quarterback/)

May 15th, 2012 | by Mike Donnelly |
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Turn On The Jets would like to welcome our newest assistant staff writer, Mike Donnelly on board. Mike was previously writing for You Don’t Know Football (http://turnonthejets.com/2012/05/new-york-jets-how-not-to-develop-a-young-quarterback/www.youdontknowfootball.com) and freelancing for his own site on the New York Jets.

When the New York Jets made the shocking trade for Tim Tebow earlier this offseason, people had many different takes and opinions on it. Beyond just the normal Jets-bashing and Tebow-trashing, some people loved the move because of Tebow’s running ability and some people hated it, mainly due to the effect it would have on Mark Sanchez both on and off the field. Sanchez is a fine young quarterback who has improved each year and had a lot of success — despite what his detractors say — so the Tebow trade was a curious one.

I did a little digging however, and found out there was a method to the madness. If it seemed like the Jets as an organization were going out of their way to push Sanchez to the side and stunt his development, it’s because they were, and this was just the latest in a series of questionable decisions. Apparently, in their never-ending quest for more publicity, the Jets decided to see how far they can push this thing and publish the first ever “How NOT to Develop Your Young Quarterback” handbook. Luckily, I was able to get my hands on a rough copy and will share some excerpts with you.

Chapter One – “What you want to do is hire a defensive Head Coach who has no interest in the offense whatsoever. The real trick, though, is you want to give the keys to the entire offense to an unqualified coordinator who has had no success in the NFL at all. In our case, that man was Brian Schottenheimer. Schotty had been here for three years already by the time we drafted Mark, and before that he was the quarterbacks coach in San Diego. It was during that time that Drew Brees had the worst years of his career before moving to New Orleans and carving out a Hall of Fame career under new coaches. We knew Schotty would do a pretty bad job, but we had to be absolutely sure we couldn’t let Sanchez improve at all. That’s why we also hired Matt Cavanaugh to come in and be the QB’s coach in 2009, and that was a major coup for us…”

Wow. If the goal was really to hire two incompetent coaches to coach the offense and Mark Sanchez specifically, they did a great job with these two. First, let’s start with Schottenheimer. By now everybody knows how bad of a job he did here and that his offense was too complicated and too ineffective. Chad Pennington even had a tough time grasping it. Brett Favre basically ignored it. Many current players complained about it. Let’s quickly take a look at some of Schotty’s failures:

95.7 and 107.2. Those are Brett Favre’s QB ratings the year before and after he worked with Schotty, respectively. His rating with Schotty? 81.0 to go along with his 22 interceptions.
Chad Pennington’s QB rating with Schotty over 2 years: 83.3. The year he left? 97.4 and a 2nd place MVP finish. Hmm.
16 straight games, including 3 playoff contests, where he couldn’t come up with a game plan to score a 1st quarter touchdown
58 straight weeks without a 300 yard passer between 2006 and 2010
Passing offense never finished higher than 16th in NFL
And it is not like Cavanaugh helped matters. Before coming to the Jets to mentor Sanchez, he was the offensive coordinator at Pittsburgh University where his claim to fame was being part of the brain trust that decided to start Tyler Palko at QB over future NFL 1st round pick Joe Flacco. Prior to that, he was the offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens during the era where their offensive ineptitude was the butt of many jokes. During his last three years on the job, the passing offense ranked 27th, 32nd, and 31st. A perfect candidate to come in and help a young QB become a great passer! He was clearly everything the Jets were looking for in their handbook.

Chapter 4 – “Once you’ve established that the young QB won’t get any competent coaching, the next thing you want to do is take away anything he’s familiar with and not let him get into any kind of comfort zone. So what we did is change the receivers Mark would be throwing to every season. The thinking was, if he we let him get comfortable and grow with any receivers, his stats would improve, and that’s a no-no. In 2011 we even took it a step further and not only did we take away the two receivers he was most familiar with, we replaced them with two guys who couldn’t run anymore! It was great…”
The Jets did a great job adhering to this. In 2009, the first receiver Sanchez got comfortable with was Chansi Stuckey, so he was traded by week 5. They brought in Braylon Edwards, though, which was actually a great thing for Sanchez. Too great of a thing, apparently, because just a year and a half later he was gone. In 2010, Santonio Holmes was brought in, but due to his 4 game suspension, it took a while for him and Sanchez to get on the same page. With the trio of Edwards, Holmes, and Cotchery, Sanchez had an excellent, young corps of receivers to work with. So naturally the whole thing was blown up after the 2010 season that nearly ended in a Super Bowl. Edwards was let go, Cotchery was released, and they were replaced by the decrepit Derek Mason and fresh from prison Plaxico Burress. The Jets apparently didn’t ask Plaxico to work out for them or run a 40 yard dash before signing, probably because they didn’t have a sun dial available. So not only was Sanchez left without a deep threat, but he had to break in these new receivers during a lockout without coaches being present. No big deal.

Later in Chapter 4- “And just to be sure the quarterback won’t be comfortable at all, you might want to go ahead and weaken his offensive line a great deal. Nothing frazzles a QB more than being hit every play, so we decided to put Wayne Hunter at tackle and back him up with Vlad Ducasse. Doesn’t get much worse than that! Speaking of backups, make sure you have none, so if one of your starters like Nick Mangold does get injured, your QB will get buried…”
Well, this strategy definitely did work. Gotta give them credit.
Chapter 8 – “If you’ve come this far, it means you’ve done everything you physically can to your QB to make sure he fails. Now it’s time to work on the mental side and really ruin his confidence. It will be hard to top what we did, because a guy like Tim Tebow only comes along once in a lifetime, but if possible, you have to bring in an extremely popular player to back up your quarterback. That way, every time he throws an incomplete pass or messes up, the whole crowd will be pushing for the backup to play, even if he can’t throw a forward pass! Plus the entire media will report on every little move he makes and make it nearly impossible for him to not crack under the pressure. This is an important step in the process here…”
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Look, I’m a big Mark Sanchez supporter and fan. I think he’s gotten a bum rap, and it’s totally undeserved. People seem to forget that he only just completed his 3rd season in the league, and is actually ahead of where many other star players were at the same point in their careers, just look at Drew Brees’ stats early in his career. Or even better, look at Eli Manning, who many Giants fans wanted to run out of town after 3 years.

There are lots of similarities between Sanchez and Eli that go beyond just the stats. After Eli’s third year, they fired the offensive coordinator who wasn’t using Eli to the best of his abilities and became way too predictable. Sound familiar? They replaced him with Kevin Gilbride, a former Head Coach who had success as an offensive coach prior to flopping as Head Coach. Again, sound familiar? I hope the Jets took some notes. The Giants let Eli work out his problems, progress, and late in Year 4, Eli started to “get it”. He cut out the silly mistakes, grasped the offense that suited his skills, and he led them to the Super Bowl. I’m not saying that’s what will happen this year with Mark Sanchez, but he deserves the opportunity to do so. Mark Sanchez has proven he can handle the big stage in the past, and I wouldn’t bet against him rising up and doing so again.

MSGold12
05-16-2012, 12:18 PM
One word...wow.

(as well as a lot of bowed head shaking right now)

ganggreen76
05-17-2012, 06:16 AM
I think these will come in handy for some people reading this article.

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ganggreen76
05-17-2012, 06:26 AM
Let's see:

Surround unfortunate young qb with a top defense & running game his first two seasons - check

Don't ask unfortunate young qb to be the savior right away - check

Aquire big target at receiver to give unfortunate young qb a better chance to make plays - check

Make unfortunate young qb feel completely safe (job) for two feels seasons by bringing in a non-threat at backup qb - check

When unforunate young qb turns the ball over five times in a game and the team loses don't blame him instead throw the backup TE (Hartsock) under the bus - check

Yeah Jets wth were ya thinking?:lolx:

IMO the Jets wrote the book on how to give a top 10 pick QB every chance to succeed.

MSGold12
05-17-2012, 08:21 AM
Let's see:

Surround unfortunate young qb with a top defense & running game his first two seasons - check

Don't ask unfortunate young qb to be the savior right away - check

Aquire big target at receiver to give unfortunate young qb a better chance to make plays - check

Make unfortunate young qb feel completely safe (job) for two feels seasons by bringing in a non-threat at backup qb - check

When unforunate young qb turns the ball over five times in a game and the team loses don't blame him instead throw the backup TE (Hartsock) under the bus - check

Yeah Jets wth were ya thinking?:lolx:

IMO the Jets wrote the book on how to give a top 10 pick QB every chance to succeed.

Ya know I could ALMOST respect this answer if it werent coming from the moron who screamed for Kellen Clemens to be our starter, called Ray Lucas a HOFer, blamed the jets woes on a 42 year old backup QB, and slammed Chad Pennington for having the audacity to sign with Miami after the Jets CUT him. But since your track record with QBs is so piss poor I'll just go wiht the usual...YAM!

Keep on ripping the guy GG. Go right ahead. And when hes gone next year (and having success elsewhere) and we are stuck with two seasons of Tebow Time, I'm curious what you'll say then.

JWilly
05-17-2012, 08:29 AM
95.7 and 107.2. Those are Brett Favre’s QB ratings the year before and after he worked with Schotty, respectively. His rating with Schotty? 81.0 to go along with his 22 interceptions.
Chad Pennington’s QB rating with Schotty over 2 years: 83.3. The year he left? 97.4 and a 2nd place MVP finish. Hmm.
16 straight games, including 3 playoff contests, where he couldn’t come up with a game plan to score a 1st quarter touchdown
58 straight weeks without a 300 yard passer between 2006 and 2010
Passing offense never finished higher than 16th in NFL
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Wow. I myself have put plenty of stats and results on paper to back up my claims of how much Sch!tty sucked but this is as telling as it gets. Could there be a better example of addition by subtraction??? I think not. Sparano has some really, really low hanging fruit here. Like, he needs to get down on a knee to pick this fruit.

I have to say, I'm eager to see what Sch!tty does with his next "stud" QB. But it's hard to expect much after looking at how well he did dragging Chad and Favere throught the sludge of his gimmick routine.

JWilly
05-17-2012, 08:34 AM
Ya know I could ALMOST respect this answer if it werent coming from the moron who screamed for Kellen Clemens to be our starter, called Ray Lucas a HOFer, blamed the jets woes on a 42 year old backup QB, and slammed Chad Pennington for having the audacity to sign with Miami after the Jets CUT him. But since your track record with QBs is so piss poor I'll just go wiht the usual...YAM!

Keep on ripping the guy GG. Go right ahead. And when hes gone next year (and having success elsewhere) and we are stuck with two seasons of Tebow Time, I'm curious what you'll say then.

LOL. Yes, right. I heard the perfect quote on radio yesterday. You don't notice the sound of your refrigerator until it stops!! Sanchez has been keeping our food nice and fresh for 3 years, winning games, winning PLAYOFF games, inproving every year, weathering all kinds of hurdles with the offense around him and of course, weathering the storm of this terrible OC. And when he's gone, I guarantee we will NOTICE!

Yeah because who knows better than us how easy it is to just go get a new starting QB and win. No prob!

TBrady
05-17-2012, 08:41 AM
Great article, I especially loved chapter 1, I haven't read a better anilization of just how bad Schitty was as our offensive coordinator, I mean we saw it week after week, we knew he was the reason our offense has sucked for 6 years, but this article breaks it down into stats to show how ineffective it was.

And the WR thing, I definitely hated to see Braylon go but MSG commented on that once that made the most sense, the money issue, Braylon's demands were too high and the Jets were forced to go a different route, by the time he lowered his demands and went to Frisco it was too late. The Mason for Cotchery thing was pretty bad too, that hurt losing a reliable WR like Cotch.

As for GG, I can't even waste my time with his nonsense posts.

pope
05-17-2012, 08:44 AM
When your back-up qb has a bigger personality and presence than you it's a problem. When the best player on your team (Revis) is praising your back-up qb for his "leadership skills" it's a problem.

We all know $hitty was a steaming turd, we all know that Wayne Hunter almost put Sanchez into a coma, yet he still over came all of it. I don't think he has a chance of over coming Tebowmania. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see this ending well for the Sanchize in NYC.

TBrady
05-17-2012, 08:50 AM
LOL. Yes, right. I heard the perfect quote on radio yesterday. You don't notice the sound of your refrigerator until it stops!! Sanchez has been keeping our food nice and fresh for 3 years, winning games, winning PLAYOFF games, inproving every year, weathering all kinds of hurdles with the offense around him and of course, weathering the storm of this terrible OC. And when he's gone, I guarantee we will NOTICE!

Yeah because who knows better than us how easy it is to just go get a new starting QB and win. No prob!

No, the first two years he showed improvement and a way to pull out wins in the final minutes of games, I have to say he Seemed to regress some last year, but I will say that it was not entirely his fault, The running game regressed and was not very effective and that effected the passing game, the blocking regressed and that made it tougher on Sanchez who was under pressre almost every time he dropped bwck, and going from Edwards and Cotchery to Plax and Mason at WR was a downgrade as well.

Throw Schitty in there as a constant negative for the offense snd Sanchez did have a lot to try and overcome,

ret2ski
05-17-2012, 08:55 AM
Wow. I myself have put plenty of stats and results on paper to back up my claims of how much Sch!tty sucked but this is as telling as it gets. Could there be a better example of addition by subtraction??? I think not. Sparano has some really, really low hanging fruit here. Like, he needs to get down on a knee to pick this fruit.

I have to say, I'm eager to see what Sch!tty does with his next "stud" QB. But it's hard to expect much after looking at how well he did dragging Chad and Favere throught the sludge of his gimmick routine.

And a couple of them are the fact that the receivers would all run 5 yard patterns on 3rd & 7 or they would all end up in in the same place on the field when running their patterns. All of Schitty's complex, motion, read the D & adjust accordingly resulted in more confusion for the receivers than it did for the opposing D. If each receiver was reading something different the inevitable result was a failed play.

I'll speculate that that may explain a lot of the OL issues also & give me some hope that Hunter can be a decent RT. Especially on the plays where he got beaten cleanly or reacted slowly I'm now thinking that he may have been expecting help or for someone else to pick up the defender because the reads & adjustments were way too complex. Same could be said for Mulligan with his penalties & false starts.

I'm very encouraged for the 2012 season based on what I'm seeing from our new coaches/coordinators & hearing from the players.

MSGold12
05-17-2012, 10:44 AM
Wow. I myself have put plenty of stats and results on paper to back up my claims of how much Sch!tty sucked but this is as telling as it gets. Could there be a better example of addition by subtraction??? I think not. Sparano has some really, really low hanging fruit here. Like, he needs to get down on a knee to pick this fruit.

I have to say, I'm eager to see what Sch!tty does with his next "stud" QB. But it's hard to expect much after looking at how well he did dragging Chad and Favere throught the sludge of his gimmick routine.

I love the fact that Sch*tty is gone and that Sporano is taking a simpler approach to the O that the players seem to be feeding off of.

My big concern???? Game day play calling. I know Sch*tty was bad, but Sporano has no expereince calling plays.

ret2ski
05-17-2012, 11:08 AM
I love the fact that Sch*tty is gone and that Sporano is taking a simpler approach to the O that the players seem to be feeding off of.

My big concern???? Game day play calling. I know Sch*tty was bad, but Sporano has no expereince calling plays.

But how in the hell could he be worse?

We had competitor after competitor telling us that they knew exactly what play was coming based on personnel & formation!

At a minimum Sparano has no history so the opposition has nothing to look at, at least early on.

And he can't have been a coach in this league as long as he has, including a HC, and not learned something about play calling.

MSGold12
05-17-2012, 11:21 AM
But how in the hell could he be worse?

We had competitor after competitor telling us that they knew exactly what play was coming based on personnel & formation!

At a minimum Sparano has no history so the opposition has nothing to look at, at least early on.

And he can't have been a coach in this league as long as he has, including a HC, and not learned something about play calling.

Good point...but for us to win it has to get better then it was with Sch*ttty. A LOT better

Green Jets & Ham
05-17-2012, 12:19 PM
The thing that troubles me is that we finally move on from Shotty, but if reports are true, Rex wouldn't allow Sparano to finish the house cleaning and replace the woefully inept Matt Cavanaugh too.

Jet_Engine1
05-17-2012, 12:26 PM
A good, well designed play executed well can be unstoppable, even if the opponent knows whats coming.

I'll take simple and effective any day of the week instead of overly elaborate gimmicky nonsense.

ret2ski
05-17-2012, 12:34 PM
The thing that troubles me is that we finally move on from Shotty, but if reports are true, Rex wouldn't allow Sparano to finish the house cleaning and replace the woefully inept Matt Cavanaugh too.

They had Cavanaugh in limbo for a while as they tried to upgrade him with either Haley or Daboll & only kept Cavanaugh when both of those guys landed OC positions.

And since it's obvious that Schitty was even worse than we thought, maybe we need to cut Cavanaugh some slack until he proves otherwise. Callahan for all of his influence in the organization couldn't overcome Schitty so how could a QB coach?

pope
05-17-2012, 12:37 PM
They had Cavanaugh in limbo for a while as they tried to upgrade him with either Haley or Daboll & only kept Cavanaugh when both of those guys landed OC positions.

And since it's obvious that Schitty was even worse than we thought, maybe we need to cut Cavanaugh some slack until he proves otherwise. Callahan for all of his influence in the organization couldn't overcome Schitty so how could a QB coach?

Cavanaugh has been a failure wherever he's been, he needs to go.

MSGold12
05-17-2012, 01:27 PM
Cavanaugh has been a failure wherever he's been, he needs to go.

Especially now that hes become so "chatty" wiht the media.

Hey Matt...accompish somehitng and then yap. Until then...stfu.

JetsMan57
05-17-2012, 01:51 PM
Stopped taking the article seriously when this fool said Sanchez got comfortable with chancey stuckey. Yah, they were lighting it up together. In fact, we traded for Bray beacuse Stuckey wasnt hacking it as the #2 opposite of JCO.

And what the heck has stuckey done since the trade?

MSGold12
05-17-2012, 02:06 PM
Stopped taking the article seriously when this fool said Sanchez got comfortable with chancey stuckey. Yah, they were lighting it up together. In fact, we traded for Bray beacuse Stuckey wasnt hacking it as the #2 opposite of JCO.

And what the heck has stuckey done since the trade?

I think the overall point was the revolving door of WRs Sanchez has had to deal with since arriving. Yes hes had talent brought in but they come and go just as quickly and he has no time to gain a true rapport wiith them! Bray comes in mid season in 09...gone after 2010. Holmes is suspended for the fist 4 games of 2010, then no off season due to lock out. Burress is signed and they dont meet until shortened TC...and now hes gone. The JCo/Mason fiasco? Still dont get that move.

Reminds me of what this idiotic franchise did to Ken OBrien. They drafted a deadly accurate, strong armed, smart QB who had very limited mobiilty and a slow release and what did they do? Surrounded him for years with a sub standard, small OL until he was battered and totally shell shocked.

BL, yes, the team has done some things to help sanchez succeed. BUt they have also done quite a few things that have slowed his deveopment be it Sch*tty, cavanaugh, not replacing Woody effectively, revolving door WR corp, etc.

JWilly
05-17-2012, 02:58 PM
No, the first two years he showed improvement and a way to pull out wins in the final minutes of games, I have to say he Seemed to regress some last year, but I will say that it was not entirely his fault, The running game regressed and was not very effective and that effected the passing game, the blocking regressed and that made it tougher on Sanchez who was under pressre almost every time he dropped bwck, and going from Edwards and Cotchery to Plax and Mason at WR was a downgrade as well.

Throw Schitty in there as a constant negative for the offense snd Sanchez did have a lot to try and overcome,

I'm not willing to say Sanchez regressed last year. And we can certainly agree to disagree if you feel he did, and plenty of others believe he did as well. But... He improved in just about every QB stat. And IMO he was significantly better QB in the earlier part of the season going by my own tried and true "eye test" and I was involved in plenty of debates during that time period saying so. IMO he had a SLUMP. He finished the season very poorly, I absoluely admit that. But a 4-6 game slump is not automatically a regression. And especially when it comes along with improved stats in ALL categories.

I need to see more evidence before I call a poor finish a total season regression. I say he improved OVERALL last year, but then had a miserable finish.

JWilly
05-17-2012, 03:09 PM
My big concern???? Game day play calling. I know Sch*tty was bad, but Sporano has no expereince calling plays.

No question, it's an unknown. but... like I said, the starting point here is a massive addition by subtraction. As Ret said, Sparano's play calling can't be worse!! I mean, can it???? I can't even fathom that right now. So I won't. We are better off! Done.

MSGold12
05-17-2012, 03:23 PM
I'm not willing to say Sanchez regressed last year. And we can certainly agree to disagree if you feel he did, and plenty of others believe he did as well. But... He improved in just about every QB stat. And IMO he was significantly better QB in the earlier part of the season going by my own tried and true "eye test" and I was involved in plenty of debates during that time period saying so. IMO he had a SLUMP. He finished the season very poorly, I absoluely admit that. But a 4-6 game slump is not automatically a regression. And especially when it comes along with improved stats in ALL categories.

I need to see more evidence before I call a poor finish a total season regression. I say he improved OVERALL last year, but then had a miserable finish.

He regressed only in the sense that he ddnt progress as far as he probably shoulsd have combined with the fact that the team regressed. Plus his horrd finish is the lastig impression he gave. But after 13 games he had 21 tds and 11 picks...sorrry but thats not regressing. Probelm was we all expected more and it didnt happen. he didnt take the leap we'd hoped he would have for various reasons.

JWilly
05-17-2012, 05:19 PM
. But after 13 games he had 21 tds and 11 picks...sorrry but thats not regressing.

Exactly. He's still a very, VERY young QB and is still experiencing lots of "firsts" For instance, this was the first time in his entire career where the offense around him flat out cr@pped the bed. That is in no way an excuse for Mark. He is supposed to be a franchise QB. Well, a franchise QB's job is to keep that from happening. He didn't. He spiraled right down with this total, ABYSMAL offensive failure. He grabbed his life vest and jumped on the nearest life boat, right next to Tone and Plax and the whole OL.... So no excuses. He failed. But he didn't fail the season. He was killing it before the ship hit the iceberg. He can learn from this FIRST TIME experience and prove me right in claiming this to be a slump that becomes distant memory. If he stinks it up in 2012 then i was wrong and the finish of 2011 was the beginning of the end. I do not expect that in the slightest.