Report: Thomas Jones likely to be free agent

[ret2ski]

Report: Thomas Jones likely to be free agent

NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora reports the Jets do not anticipate picking up Thomas Jones' $3.3 million roster bonus.

This backs up beat writer Dave Hutchinson's previous report. The Jets are reportedly holding out hope that Jones will restructure his deal, though it remains an unlikely scenario. Jones will become a free agent on March 9, when his roster bonus is declined. Even after back-to-back career years, he won't get a lucrative deal on the open market going on age 32. Expect a short-term contract with incentives instead. Feb. 27 - 1:37 pm et
Source: NFL.com

[MSGold12]

Report: Thomas Jones likely to be free agent

NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora reports the Jets do not anticipate picking up Thomas Jones' $3.3 million roster bonus.

This backs up beat writer Dave Hutchinson's previous report. The Jets are reportedly holding out hope that Jones will restructure his deal, though it remains an unlikely scenario. Jones will become a free agent on March 9, when his roster bonus is declined. Even after back-to-back career years, he won't get a lucrative deal on the open market going on age 32. Expect a short-term contract with incentives instead. Feb. 27 - 1:37 pm et
Source: NFL.com

Thats really too bad...on both sides. For the jets, with Leon coming off injur and Greene still unproven as a full time feature back, having TJ on the field and in the lockeroom would have been a real benefit. For TJ...hes making a mistake. Even at a paycut, he'd still probably make more then he is going to as a 32 year old FA in this cautious climate.

I understand the jets thinking with these guys from a financial sense. They have to be VERY careful right now since they have SO many PSls left to sell. But its a dmna shame because TJ, greene and a healthy Leon would have been an unmatched 3 some in the league.

[twoink]

True, but from TJ's perspective, some other team may give him at least the possibility of more money -- at least based on incentives -- if he's the primary back. On the jets he's probably worth less bc he's one of three great backs.

[Unknown]

Thats really too bad...on both sides. For the jets, with Leon coming off injur and Greene still unproven as a full time feature back, having TJ on the field and in the lockeroom would have been a real benefit. For TJ...hes making a mistake. Even at a paycut, he'd still probably make more then he is going to as a 32 year old FA in this cautious climate.

I understand the jets thinking with these guys from a financial sense. They have to be VERY careful right now since they have SO many PSls left to sell. But its a dmna shame because TJ, greene and a healthy Leon would have been an unmatched 3 some in the league.

Well said. At the end of the day it's a business, an ugly one at that. Some may say stop being cheap, but that money could easily go towards a Revis, Mangold, or Brick extension. I'm betting they're operating under their own cap. Maybe now that they've got their core they'll start to phase out older vets in favor of young draftees like the elite teams do. It's tough to create another hole with Leon's health situation, but it'd suck to keep him a year too long at that price tag. Pretty easy to find backs, I'll trust their judgment.

[twoink]

Philosophical question: do you want to let them go a year too early or a year too late?

[Dirty Sanchez]

I want Greene living with the trainer and conditioner. He's gotta stay on the field. If Leon is slow to return....

[slikmojet]

Let him go, I like TJ, but RB's are a dime a dozen. That's the easiest position to fill in football.

[MSGold12]

Philosophical question: do you want to let them go a year too early or a year too late?

Didnt really matter in this situation since we already have Greene to take his place...it was only money. TJ was on the last year of his deal anyway and would have been part of a 3 headed monster, not the feature back.

[twoink]

Didnt really matter in this situation since we already have Greene to take his place...it was only money. TJ was on the last year of his deal anyway and would have been part of a 3 headed monster, not the feature back.

I agree it's not as big a deal since he wouldn't be our feature back this year. Still, I'd feel better knowing he's there. Least dynamic but most reliable of the three. And still a very good back. I think the tail off in pfoxu tion at the end wasinjury not age.

[ret2ski]

Thats really too bad...on both sides. For the jets, with Leon coming off injur and Greene still unproven as a full time feature back, having TJ on the field and in the lockeroom would have been a real benefit. For TJ...hes making a mistake. Even at a paycut, he'd still probably make more then he is going to as a 32 year old FA in this cautious climate.

I understand the jets thinking with these guys from a financial sense. They have to be VERY careful right now since they have SO many PSls left to sell. But its a dmna shame because TJ, greene and a healthy Leon would have been an unmatched 3 some in the league.

And I would have thought that Woody would have learned that wins translate into sold PSL's. He witnessed the proof first hand with the playoffs last year. And keeping TJ will would result in more wins IMO.

[ret2ski]

Let him go, I like TJ, but RB's are a dime a dozen. That's the easiest position to fill in football.

If that were the case then many teams need to be pointed in the direction of those "dime a dozen" guys because they can't find them.

No such thing as a "dime a dozen" position in the NFL.

[MSGold12]

I agree it's not as big a deal since he wouldn't be our feature back this year. Still, I'd feel better knowing he's there. Least dynamic but most reliable of the three. And still a very good back. I think the tail off in pfoxu tion at the end wasinjury not age.

Me too...hell of a safety net. Good for 100-125 or so carries too.

[leftylarry]

[QUOTE=twoink;287882]Philosophical question: do you want to let them go a year too early or a year too late?[/QUOTE

That question is usually about the TRADE option.He's 32 not 35 and he stays in shape.
Most older rB'S WHO PERFORM, LOSE THEIR JOBS OVER MONEY and fear of injury, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD.
Too many young rB'S AROUND.tHEY ARE usually THE BEST ATHLETE ON EVERY hs AND MANY COLLEGE TEAMS.

[MSGold12]

[QUOTE=twoink;287882]Philosophical question: do you want to let them go a year too early or a year too late?[/QUOTE

That question is usually about the TRADE option.He's 32 not 35 and he stays in shape.
Most older rB'S WHO PERFORM, LOSE THEIR JOBS OVER MONEY and fear of injury, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD.
Too many young rB'S AROUND.tHEY ARE usually THE BEST ATHLETE ON EVERY hs AND MANY COLLEGE TEAMS.

IMO opinion this was striclty financial. The jets are looking for ways to cut some costs with the porspects of unsold PSLs and no stadium naming rights deal when they enter their new home in 6 months. This isnt the Mets and madoff situation but I wouold be stunned if finances are not playing into the jets thinking here. Jones is coming off a 1400 yard season and is 31 years old...at WORST he would give us 8-10 carries a game 600+ yards and keep Greene from being over worked. Plus hes a great lockeroom guy (unless they felt he would be disgruntled in a backup role).

Too bad. In his 3 years here JOnes was every bit as good (if not better) then Curtis martin (and at half the cost) and fans NEVER wanted to let martin go but are very quick to say so long to TJ.

Best of luck to you #20....you were a VERY good amd under appreciated Jet.

[bitonti]

if TJ came into the Indy game and ran well we wouldn't be having this conversation

it's not really about money it's about performance, and Thomas Jones hasn't been performing at a high level since the first half of last season.

[MSGold12]

if TJ came into the Indy game and ran well we wouldn't be having this conversation

it's not really about money it's about performance, and Thomas Jones hasn't been performing at a high level since the first half of last season.

You are 100% wrong if you think that had TJ played well v Indy this discussion is moot. TJ was hurt v Indy and the CS knew that. Just like you ridiculusly think the Folk move was some sort of referendum on Feely, cutting Jones has MUCH more to do with greene's play and TJs bonus and base salary for a potential backup player then it does TJs ability or how he played v Indy. If TJ ran well v Indy it might make the decision tougher but it would not end the conversation. Its all about finances right now and how to save money in order to be able to sign the 3 or 4 big guys they have coming due soon. Otherwise, wtith no cap next year, why WOULDN'T you keep him as a backup t greene who costs yuo next to nothing right now.

[JWilly]

Let him go, I like TJ, but RB's are a dime a dozen. That's the easiest position to fill in football.

If RBs are a dime a dozen then how come we didn't have one in the 2nd half of the biggest game we have played in decades? We should have just stuck our 4th string guy in there and been fine right?

I agree RBs are easy to get but dependable RBs who don't get hurt and don't fumble and maybe can catch the ball out of the backfield and can pick up the blitz and keep your QB healthy. No, not a dime a dozen. The teams with "dime a dozen" backs carrying their load are average at best running teams. The teams w/ high quality RBs carrying the load give their teams a much better shot at being contenders. And those guys are definitely not dime a dozen. The Colts can survive with dime a dozen guys at RB. The Jets cannot.

I'm ok w/ losing TJ, HOWEVER, it means we now have a substantial new NEED. My gut is that they will still try to match whatever offer he gets depending on how realistic it is. They clearly won't overpay, but if TJ can't drum up much cash on the open market, I think the Jets match to keep him here. Unless somebody overpays i think he's back.

[bitonti]

TJ was hurt v Indy and the CS knew that.

guys who are 32 and get hurt for the playoffs aren't valuable.

[MSGold12]

guys who are 32 and get hurt for the playoffs aren't valuable.

What kind of idiotic blanket statement is that????

Like Curtis Martin you mean? He had some "track record" in the playoffs for us yet told us all what amazing "marketing value" (LOL) he had and needed to be kept. TJ is dinged up after a 320+ carry, 1400 yard season and you trash him? As if 25 year old Rbs dont get hurt for the playoffs too?

No one is saying he's wanted back as a 300 carry feature back. But as a 3rd head of a three headed trio of TJ/Greene/Leon he had plenty of value despite your assinine baseless statement.

1400 yards, 300+ carries...yeah, no value there because he got hurt in the playoffs. Whatever.

[ljs jets nj]

tough move for both sides....but as many stated every team has a bottom line and you have to stand by it...the part that was hard i bet for the front office is that when tj was brought here i dont think anyone thought he would have this type of success..but leon should be back we have shonn...add 1 more guy and you have a great rotation in place...thanks for the memories TJ..you were a solid jet in your time here

[bitonti]

But as a 3rd head of a three headed trio of TJ/Greene/Leon he had plenty of value despite your assinine baseless statement.


hes not going to get better and he's worth the money. if he was under contract for cheap I'd agree.

someone else's metaphor - shonn greene is like a mack truck, thomas jones is like a tricycle in the sand box. Get another young buck in there who can tote the rock... it's a young man's game, 32 is ancient for an RB.

[MSGold12]

hes not going to get better and he's worth the money. if he was under contract for cheap I'd agree.

someone else's metaphor - shonn greene is like a mack truck, thomas jones is like a tricycle in the sand box. Get another young buck in there who can tote the rock... it's a young man's game, 32 is ancient for an RB.

See here you go again...changing your story.

I thought he had "no value" and if he had "had a good game v Indy we wouldnt be having this conversation". First it was TJ is crap and now its a money issue ( which btw is what I have been saying all along). So which is it?

BL, TJ is a valiubale asset on and off the field and it is a damn shame that hey couldnt figure out a way to keep him because he and Greene and Leon would have been an unstoippable 3 some. Yes, its time to give Greene 20 carries a game...but having TJ there would have been a hell of a safety net for a team who is looking to make a SB run. Yes its about money...whihc is what I said before but YOU disagreed with.

[Dirty Sanchez]

if Greene gets nicked again, and Leon's not ready, we have nobody !

[MSGold12]

if Greene gets nicked again, and Leon's not ready, we have nobody !

Exactly. And as much as I love Greene, he got hurt in TC, he got hurt during the season and then he got hurt during the Indy game. Wouldnt having TJ around for one more year be a nice insurance policy? Methinks so.

[bitonti]

MSGold ill make you a deal...i wont mention this again but I want you to pay close attention to the production of Thomas Jones and Joey Porter next year... and remember this conversations we've been having.

[JWilly]

Exactly. And as much as I love Greene, he got hurt in TC, he got hurt during the season and then he got hurt during the Indy game. Wouldnt having TJ around for one more year be a nice insurance policy? Methinks so.

Agreed, and I think we will have that insurance policy. I don't see TJ getting a big enough offer that the jets won't match it. The only question is what kind of feelings is TJ hitting the open market with? Will he allow the jets to match? I think he will. I think the jets are being open and honest with him and telling him to see what he can get and there is a good chance we will match it or beat it slightly to keep you because we want you.

I just don't see the Jets wanting to use a higher pick on RB and if they let TJ go, they HAVE TO. As Dirty said, Greene's health status is iffy at best at this early point in his career, Leon's health for next season is also iffy at best and after that there is NOBODY!!! No TJ means using a day 1 pick IMO, which will cost MORE than what TJ is going to get on the open market anyway. That just makes no sense to me. Not when there are other legit needs on this team, plus the advantage of Greene getting one more year to prove he can be the feature back, plus seeing Leon's status. We are FAR better off keeping TJ for one year, learning all the things I just mentioned about Greene and Leon and THEN.... knowing we have the luxury to draft a day 2 RB for depth behind Greene and Leon, or knowing we need to spend a top pick on the new TJ. Forcing us into NEEDING a RB this year makes no sense to me. drafting a day 2 prospect this year could backfire HUGE if Greene is a perrenaily hurt player and/or leon never recovers 100%. And vice versa, drafting a bigtime RB this year could be a total waste for us if Greene does end up the stud we all think he is and Leon comes back strong too. Then we got 1 big dollar guy not earning his big dollars sitting behind 2 starters AND we missed the opportunity to get a top guy at a positon where we actually needed one.

TJ comes back for a teeny bit more than his best offer. That's my opinion. But the wild card is still that somebody else pays him too much. I really don't like this at all!!!!!

[MSGold12]

MSGold ill make you a deal...i wont mention this again but I want you to pay close attention to the production of Thomas Jones and Joey Porter next year... and remember this conversations we've been having.

Bit, are yuo really this f-ing stupid? I mean seriously. Do you really lack the capacity to understand what people are saying??? Let me try and clarify for your simpleton brain.

TJ- I dont want him as my feature back anymore. Id want to see Greene get 20 carries a game and be "the guy". BUT, that doesnt mean that having a 1400 yard rusher on the roster in the last year of his deal to help carry sme of the load or help make the transition is a BAD thing. I said it was all about the money. YOU said if he had hada good game v Indy hed still be here (although ironically it was GREENE that got hurt that day), then you said that anyone who gets hurt before a playoff game has no value, then you said it was all about the money with TJ. Well which is it? And NO WHERE in the entire excannge did I ever say anything other then that TJ would be a great insurnce policy to have on the roster and with Leon and Greene would give us the best 1-2-3 in football. So when TJ gets 550 yards next year somewhere in a limited role and yuo start shouting from the roof tops that ou were SO right about him and how wrong I was, yes, lets come back to this conversation so I can once again prove how totally full of sh*t you really are.

Porter- My point about POrter was that he had 9 sacks last year in a limited role which would have lead our team. You said "hes done...I dont care how many sacks he had, hes done." All I said was that its a tad rpemature to call the guy "done" when he had a prety good year last year doing somehting that this team is in need of. So, lets get it clear now...whats yuor definition of done??? 1 sack? 3 sacks? 5? 10 tackles? 15? 40? I want to know so that when you start crowing about this issue also we can come back here and decide whether or not your FOS on this one also.

Ya know what your problem is Bit? You have no gray area to you and you can't comprehend others arguements that are not one extreme or anohter. The world is black and white to you and you see things only in extremes. Thats pretty sad.

[MSGold12]

Agreed, and I think we will have that insurance policy. I don't see TJ getting a big enough offer that the jets won't match it. The only question is what kind of feelings is TJ hitting the open market with? Will he allow the jets to match? I think he will. I think the jets are being open and honest with him and telling him to see what he can get and there is a good chance we will match it or beat it slightly to keep you because we want you.

I just don't see the Jets wanting to use a higher pick on RB and if they let TJ go, they HAVE TO. As Dirty said, Greene's health status is iffy at best at this early point in his career, Leon's health for next season is also iffy at best and after that there is NOBODY!!! No TJ means using a day 1 pick IMO, which will cost MORE than what TJ is going to get on the open market anyway. That just makes no sense to me. Not when there are other legit needs on this team, plus the advantage of Greene getting one more year to prove he can be the feature back, plus seeing Leon's status. We are FAR better off keeping TJ for one year, learning all the things I just mentioned about Greene and Leon and THEN.... knowing we have the luxury to draft a day 2 RB for depth behind Greene and Leon, or knowing we need to spend a top pick on the new TJ. Forcing us into NEEDING a RB this year makes no sense to me. drafting a day 2 prospect this year could backfire HUGE if Greene is a perrenaily hurt player and/or leon never recovers 100%. And vice versa, drafting a bigtime RB this year could be a total waste for us if Greene does end up the stud we all think he is and Leon comes back strong too. Then we got 1 big dollar guy not earning his big dollars sitting behind 2 starters AND we missed the opportunity to get a top guy at a positon where we actually needed one.

TJ comes back for a teeny bit more than his best offer. That's my opinion. But the wild card is still that somebody else pays him too much. I really don't like this at all!!!!!

SEee aside from wanting TJ back next year, I actually disagree with almost all of the rest of your post.

I do NOT see TJ coming back now under any circumstances. The Jets wont match any offers and TJ will most likely not give them the chance to anyway. Not after what hapened last off season and now this. TJ is gone.

I also see no way we need to use a first day pick on a RB. Greene is now the guy. He will get the 18-25 carries a game now and Leon (we'll assume he'll be ready to start the year OK) will get 5-7. There is no way we expend an early pick on a 3rd string RB...no way and no need to. This kid washington will likely be the 3rd back and then maybe Woodhead or a 2nd day pick. With Greene and a healthy Leon IMO there is NO need for anohter high pick RB.

But where we do agree is that I would have felt a HELL of a lot better with Greene as my fetaure back next year if TJ were on the roster as a safety net. He had 1 year left on his deal...it wasnt THAT much money. I'd have kept him but then again I think finances are going to paly a BIG part in the Jets thinking until these PSLs are all sold or they get a bnaming rights sponsor.

[ibleedgreen]

NFL Network is saying he isn't. I've been away from the news all weekend .. is this breaking news or old (i.e. Germans bombing Pearl Harbor)?

[ret2ski]

NFL Network is saying he isn't. I've been away from the news all weekend .. is this breaking news or old (i.e. Germans bombing Pearl Harbor)?

Jets: Thomas Jones to be released on Friday

The Jets have announced that Thomas Jones will be released on Friday.

"We have informed Thomas Jones and his representatives that we will release him on March 5," GM Mike Tannenbaum confirmed. Jones posted career highs in rushing yards (1,402) and TDs (14) on 331 carries last year. His passing-game production was way down, however, which is often the first sign of running back decline. Jones will be a sought-after commodity in free agency, but is more likely to disappoint his next team than remain a high-level feature back. He turns 32 before the season. Mar. 1 - 3:09 pm et
Source: nyjets.com

[ibleedgreen]

Ok then, RB is back on the need docket and much higher. Of course we still go BAP, correct?

[pope]

Jets like the back they signed off the cowboys PS, Chauncey Washington. No need to pay Jones, Shonne Green is a stud and will take the bulk of the carries.

San Diego should pick up Thomas Jones, they need some RB help and desperately lack leadership.

[bitonti]

if TJ were on the roster as a safety net.

i dont know how much of a safety net is a player who can't catch, can't hit big plays and is losing explosion every day he gets older. i even read somewhere he gave up 2 sacks by not picking up blitzes correctly. Jones is overrated.

[leftylarry]

He'll be missed in the locker room too.His workout ethic was legendary and he was well liked and well respected.
This is nothing to be happy about.Part of the busienss but deosn't make Jets a better team, even if we pick up a cheaper BAck.

[ibleedgreen]

He'll be missed in the locker room too.His workout ethic was legendary and he was well liked and well respected.
This is nothing to be happy about.Part of the busienss but deosn't make Jets a better team, even if we pick up a cheaper BAck.
Just like when Curt was forced to retire. Correct? :boink:

[MSGold12]

i dont know how much of a safety net is a player who can't catch, can't hit big plays and is losing explosion every day he gets older. i even read somewhere he gave up 2 sacks by not picking up blitzes correctly. Jones is overrated.

YAM. I'm not even going to respond to that piece of inaccurate idiotic garbage.

[JWilly]

SEee aside from wanting TJ back next year, I actually disagree with almost all of the rest of your post.

I do NOT see TJ coming back now under any circumstances. The Jets wont match any offers and TJ will most likely not give them the chance to anyway. Not after what hapened last off season and now this. TJ is gone.

I also see no way we need to use a first day pick on a RB. Greene is now the guy. He will get the 18-25 carries a game now and Leon (we'll assume he'll be ready to start the year OK) will get 5-7. There is no way we expend an early pick on a 3rd string RB...no way and no need to. This kid washington will likely be the 3rd back and then maybe Woodhead or a 2nd day pick. With Greene and a healthy Leon IMO there is NO need for anohter high pick RB.

But where we do agree is that I would have felt a HELL of a lot better with Greene as my fetaure back next year if TJ were on the roster as a safety net. He had 1 year left on his deal...it wasnt THAT much money. I'd have kept him but then again I think finances are going to paly a BIG part in the Jets thinking until these PSLs are all sold or they get a bnaming rights sponsor.

Yeah, well I do agree with you that we won't use a day 1 pick on RB. And it doesn;t literally need to be a day 1 pick, just a higher caliber guy, the type of guy you truly expect to play and contend for a starting spot in the not too distant future, as oppossed to a 5th, 6th rounder type that is a pure prospect who may never get pro carries at all. And I will assume you would still not agree with taking a RB as high as the 3rd, and my issue is that I agree again, we shouldn't need ANY RBs because we should keep TJ. But my issue with standing pat with Greene and Leon, (and I totally agree with your outline of how those 2 will be utlilized without TJ there) is just the "what if" factor. If Greene can't stay healthy, if Leon never gets back to 100%. This is a totally run dependant team right now, which will gradually change as Sanchez develops, BUT... Rex still wants to be a run dominant team, Rex KNOWS the incredible value of 3 capable ball carriers. I just don't see how we can take a SB contender that is so dependant on the run game and leave the ball carrying duties so dangerously up in the air like that. I think TJ MUST be replaced. It could come from a FA signing or something, that would do it too, but I think he must be replaced. And iof we stand pat and it blows up in our face, it may not mean all that much in the big picture because they will simply be forced to use a day 1 pick, this time DEFINITELY a day 1 pick to get a RB that can carry the rock instantly the following year. But it means that next year, which is still a SB possible year based on where we ended this year, could be totally wiped out with one injury to one player. I hate that concept. And I find it very doubtful that we can find a RB in the 5th or 6th that could step in and help us get to a SB if Greene goes down. and with Greene's history thus far, to think he can carry the ball 18-25 times for 19 games??? That is a HUGE leap of faith right now.

No TJ combined with no quality RB addition might mean nothing at all, but it also could 100% derail a SB run for 1 season.

and again, we agree in the end, it is stupid to let TJ get away. But if they do and they stand pat w/ two HUGE unknowns (in terms of injury potential)... wow are they rolling the dice for one season. One season in which the Jets ARE SB contenders. Bad plan IMO.

[JWilly]

well, they better be high on somebody because while you will get zero argument from me that Greene is a stud, what I will argue is that if he goes down, and Leon is not quite Leon, then what???? A potential SB run could be derailed by ONE injury to ONE player. And if that one player is NOT a QB, then shame on the FO. If your QB goes down, yeah, we all get that, it's over. But how can we take it for granted that Greene can carry the load for 19 games? How? we already saw what happens when he goes down and we have no alternative. INSTANT no-chance to compete against an elite opponent in the playoffs. Why do we want to leave a SB caliber team so close to ultimate disaster?

[GreenBeast77]

just for the record.... there aren't many psl's left and the seats went like hot cakes when they made the run in the playoff's.. all that are left are really lots of 3. where they won't sell 2 and be left with a single. i am working at the stadium right now. 3 months ago they were walking people threw there like crazy. not any more.... they made it so you can pay it off in ten years!!!! they sold fast after that...

[pope]

well, they better be high on somebody because while you will get zero argument from me that Greene is a stud, what I will argue is that if he goes down, and Leon is not quite Leon, then what???? A potential SB run could be derailed by ONE injury to ONE player. And if that one player is NOT a QB, then shame on the FO. If your QB goes down, yeah, we all get that, it's over. But how can we take it for granted that Greene can carry the load for 19 games? How? we already saw what happens when he goes down and we have no alternative. INSTANT no-chance to compete against an elite opponent in the playoffs. Why do we want to leave a SB caliber team so close to ultimate disaster?

Hard to carry and pay 3 good RB's. injuries are part of the game, if both Green and Leon get hurt it's just bad luck not poor planning by the Jets.

[MSGold12]

Yeah, well I do agree with you that we won't use a day 1 pick on RB. And it doesn;t literally need to be a day 1 pick, just a higher caliber guy, the type of guy you truly expect to play and contend for a starting spot in the not too distant future, as oppossed to a 5th, 6th rounder type that is a pure prospect who may never get pro carries at all. And I will assume you would still not agree with taking a RB as high as the 3rd, and my issue is that I agree again, we shouldn't need ANY RBs because we should keep TJ. But my issue with standing pat with Greene and Leon, (and I totally agree with your outline of how those 2 will be utlilized without TJ there) is just the "what if" factor. If Greene can't stay healthy, if Leon never gets back to 100%. This is a totally run dependant team right now, which will gradually change as Sanchez develops, BUT... Rex still wants to be a run dominant team, Rex KNOWS the incredible value of 3 capable ball carriers. I just don't see how we can take a SB contender that is so dependant on the run game and leave the ball carrying duties so dangerously up in the air like that. I think TJ MUST be replaced. It could come from a FA signing or something, that would do it too, but I think he must be replaced. And iof we stand pat and it blows up in our face, it may not mean all that much in the big picture because they will simply be forced to use a day 1 pick, this time DEFINITELY a day 1 pick to get a RB that can carry the rock instantly the following year. But it means that next year, which is still a SB possible year based on where we ended this year, could be totally wiped out with one injury to one player. I hate that concept. And I find it very doubtful that we can find a RB in the 5th or 6th that could step in and help us get to a SB if Greene goes down. and with Greene's history thus far, to think he can carry the ball 18-25 times for 19 games??? That is a HUGE leap of faith right now.

No TJ combined with no quality RB addition might mean nothing at all, but it also could 100% derail a SB run for 1 season.

and again, we agree in the end, it is stupid to let TJ get away. But if they do and they stand pat w/ two HUGE unknowns (in terms of injury potential)... wow are they rolling the dice for one season. One season in which the Jets ARE SB contenders. Bad plan IMO.

Yep...definately on the same page when it comes to TJ. IMO a one year transition period from TJ to Greene (muich like I had wanted from martin to Jordan) would have been nice.

[MSGold12]

just for the record.... there aren't many psl's left and the seats went like hot cakes when they made the run in the playoff's.. all that are left are really lots of 3. where they won't sell 2 and be left with a single. i am working at the stadium right now. 3 months ago they were walking people threw there like crazy. not any more.... they made it so you can pay it off in ten years!!!! they sold fast after that...

That is good to know...thanks for the update. Everything I was hearing was that there were upwards of 20000 seats still left to sell. I really hope your info is accurate because it would be a big relief.