You choose the Giants top picks

[tmage]

Let's hear your hopes for the Giants top 3 or 4 picks in this year's draft. These aren't my final choices, of course, but right now I'd kinda like to see:
pick 28 - Brian Cushing OLB USC
pick 45 Kenny Britt WR Rutgers
pick 60 Chase Coffman or best possible OL


If they go with an OLB in round 1 then they can keep Kiwi at End, which will provide depth all along the d-line for them. Remember, they didnt only send Tuck and Kiwi at DE on passing downs, both those guys switched inside and did well too. I'd love an outright DT upgrade but I just don't see that happening thru the draft this year. They have the guns to trade up to take the top guy but I just dont see that happening. Getting a top OLB and allowing Kiwi to stay D-Line somewhat alleviates that need. Btw, dont forget about Tollefson. With another year in the offseason program under his belt I expect him contribute all along the line next year too. With Osi coming back, depth along the dline should be pretty damned good.
I'm seeing lots of mocks that have them taking a running back fairly high but I'm hoping they don't draft one at all this year. They'll likely sign Jacobs, let Ward walk (and pray he plays very well for somebody else and reap a nice comp pick next year but not so well that they regret letting him go over the big guy) :) So Jacobs, Bradshaw and Ware should still be a very nice trio for the roster. Bradshaw really reminds me of a stronger version of young Tiki and I can't wait to see his number of carries finally increase. Anyway, those are my choices for the Giants top 3 picks this year. What are yours?

[MichaelK]

BPA plain and simple

Not a big fan of Cushing - would rather take McKenzie or Matthews with one of our 2 second round picks if we go for an OLB early. Ideally Peria Jerry or B.J. Raji fall to the Giants pick, but I do not see that happening. Coffman I do not see providing anything we do not already have in Kevin Boss because he does not offer any help in terms of blocking. If the Giants went for a TE I think a 4th or 5th round pick on Bear Pascoe (TE/Fresno State) would work better because he has upside in the passing game while being one of the top blocking TE's in this draft. I would not be surprised to see a RB or a DE taken high with the depth at those positions in this draft

[tmage]

BPA? What a daring and intrepid reply! Cmon, names, gimme names and slots!! :)

[DblRevPass]

pick 28 - Brian Cushing OLB USC (may slip to round two prejection after combine)
pick 45 Herman Johnson OG LSU (absolute beast)
pick 60 Ramses Barden WR Cal Poly (perfect fit to fill plaxico's role in the future)

[tmage]

Isn't that a bit high for Ramses? (although with a name like that and my lifelong interest in Egyptology I wouldn't object to him becoming a Giant at all. The press would eat it up, that's for sure) Yeah, i know that these ratings are subjective and often inaccurate but dont think I've seen anyone rate him quite that high.



Oh, and MK? I saw a few, just a few, clips on Cushing and that guy seemed like a heat-seeking missle on film. Of course, they only show the plays where he did well and not any blown coverages or him getting pancaked by fullbacks but he looked very solid to me. What's the downside on Cushing?

[MichaelK]

Cushing plays a little too out of control for my taste - looking to make the big hit rather than staying in his gap. Also, there has been talk of possible steroid use in his past and that his relationship with teammates can be awfully rocky at times. He was fortunate that he played in a D where he was not even the best LB on his team and had the help of a tremendous DL. I just think that at the NFL level he will be more exposed and will bite too often on play fakes and misdirection plays and will not have the ability to recover as easily as he does in college

To comment on Dallas fan's picks, I would need a new TV if the Giants have such an awful draft. In addition to not liking Cushing, OG is not even a remote need of the Giants outside of maybe a late round depth pick. Snee is entrenched at one OG spot and Seubert has been above average at the other spot. David Diehl's contract is also structured in such a way that there is a different set of salaries if he is an OG so they find a better LT they can move him to LG. In addition, at the Senior Bowl Herman Johnson was awfully inconsistent. His size made him a force whenever he could get locked on to an opponent, but his feet looked like he was playing in cement and if he was playing a DT who had a quick first step Johnson was unable to lock on and use his size to his advantage. His lack of flexibility would also prevent the Giants from using him to kick out and pull in the running game like the Giants like to do with their OL. Barden also looked terrible at the Senior Bowl. Closer to Anthony Mix than Vincent Jackson. He clearly showed that he did not belong running sloppy routes and struggling to get off the line against Division 1A CB's, a number of whom will never play in the NFL. He is years away from competing at the NFL level and that is not what the Giants need. If the Giants were going to target size I would rather take Kenny Britt with the pick you used on Johnson

[DblRevPass]

Barden dominated this past season. he may not have great speed, but with coaching, i think he can be like keyshawn johnson.

as for herman johnson, i didnt watch the senior bowl, but i think he would be a solid RG, similar to leonard davis. but you are correct with his inability to pull effectively.

the cushing pick was simple need and position.

[MichaelK]

Barden dominated this past season. he may not have great speed, but with coaching, i think he can be like keyshawn johnson.

as for herman johnson, i didnt watch the senior bowl, but i think he would be a solid RG, similar to leonard davis. but you are correct with his inability to pull effectively.

the cushing pick was simple need and position.

1AA competition is a far cry from the NFL and when he went up against 1A CB's in the Senior Bowl he struggled mightily. Maybe worth a 4th or 5th Round flyer, but no higher IMO. What good is a RG for the Giants when Pro Bowler Chris Snee is entrenched there?

[DblRevPass]

1AA competition is a far cry from the NFL and when he went up against 1A CB's in the Senior Bowl he struggled mightily. Maybe worth a 4th or 5th Round flyer, but no higher IMO. What good is a RG for the Giants when Pro Bowler Chris Snee is entrenched there?

johnson will provide depth at G (possibly start at LG) and he has the frame to play RT.

[MichaelK]

johnson will provide depth at G (possibly start at LG) and he has the frame to play RT.

The Giants have Rich Seubert who is solid at LG or potentially David Diehl who is currently the LT. Johnson may have the frame to play RT, but he sure as heck does not have the feet and I am not sure that he ever will. Moreover, Round 2 is not where you take a DEPTH guy unless he has the potential to start down the road and Johnson is not an improvement over any of the Giants guards. If they draft an OL early it will be someone with the potential to play LT (which Johnson sure as heck does not) or someone who can be groomed as Shaun O'Hara's replacement at C (which Johnson is not)

[DblRevPass]

ok then my rationale is that i hope the giants have a horrible draft.

:lolflag:

[DblRevPass]

pick 28 - Brian Cushing OLB USC (may slip to round two prejection after combine)
pick 45 Herman Johnson OG LSU (absolute beast)
pick 60 Ramses Barden WR Cal Poly (perfect fit to fill plaxico's role in the future)

What do you know, the giants picked up an OLB, OG/OT, and WR Ramese Barden with three of their first four picks. Looks like i was Waaaayyyyy off.
:peace:

[tmage]

What do you know, the giants picked up an OLB, OG/OT, and WR Ramese Barden with three of their first four picks. Looks like i was Waaaayyyyy off.
:peace:

Truly impressive, DRP! You hit the Barden pick, one rd too early but you clearly named a guy they drafted, well done! Cushing went earlier than you anticipated, but great slot placement there. Looks like MK was right about Johnson though, as teams saw things his way and the big guy dropped drastically. He wasnt even on some teams draft board. Hard to imagine, but it was a weird draft by all accounts. You were a round too high with barden but in such a crazy year that ain't bad. All in all I'd say you both did pretty well... ;) Hope to see ya back here soon.



I might also point out that my own choices on positions didnt exactly suck either :)

[DblRevPass]

I might also point out that my own choices on positions didnt exactly suck either :)

Very true. Cheers! :thumbup: