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TJ Jackson
04-22-2008, 03:34 PM
from: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

Skins offer '08 first-rounder, '09 pick for Johnson; Cincy says no
By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com
Updated: April 22, 2008, 3:57 PM ET

How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands?

Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington Redskins that could have netted the Bengals two first-round draft picks, team and league sources said.

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, who initially denied the team had received offers for Johnson during a Tuesday news conference, confirmed to ESPN that Cincinnati turned down Washington's offer of two picks.

"Once I actually read what was reported, I have to be truthful and say that the story is accurate," Lewis told ESPN. "Unfortunately, I didn't read it until after our press conference."

The Redskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

It was not the first time the Redskins approached the Bengals about a deal, but it was the first significant proposal.

Lewis says the disgruntled receiver should keep his word and sit out the season. "I've stated our case with Chad," Lewis said. "He has a contract through 2011. He's stated without an opportunity to go to a different team and a new contract, he wasn't going to play. I think he's a man of his word and says he's not going to play, so don't play."

The Bengals have not only rejected the Redskins, but two other NFC East suitors -- the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles -- have been informed that there has been no change in the team's position that Johnson will not be traded.

The Bengals have noted to those suitors that Johnson has been the "second-highest paid receiver" in the NFL during the past three years, indignant about suggestions that Johnson also wants a new contract, the sources said.

Trading Johnson also would mean Cincinnati would take an $8 million salary-cap hit, but that amount could be split over the next two years. Additionally, as one owner who wished to remain anonymous told ESPN.com, "There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

TJ Jackson
04-22-2008, 03:36 PM
Mike Brown is an utter mindless imbecile

To call him a moron is to insult the morons of the world.

limaguy
04-22-2008, 04:35 PM
As much as I love hating my rivals I can't help but wonder what is SOP thinking.

Why does he do this with players who are ultimately bad for the team?

The Bengals problem is not a talent problem. It's a heart condition and you guys allow way too many players to feel comfortable being individuals IMHO.

You all were knocking on the door of being a serious contender and then what followed was all of those arrested players and all that misbehaving going on when they should have understood it's all about being on a mission, take it home from here and just maybe live that dream of winning it all while you have that brief window of opportunity.

Somewhere and somehow it's a leadership thing and Mike Brown not seeing what the dissention does to the team concept makes me think that problems probably start at the top and trickle down thru the organization.

Thoughts?

pedd
04-22-2008, 05:34 PM
if they trade johnson they take a 8 million$ cap hit.

TJ Jackson
04-22-2008, 10:12 PM
it's manageable, they just have to be willing to do it

texas1054
04-23-2008, 11:03 AM
i am sorry this is something that you just have to do. A disgruntle player who is turning out to be a distraction and has attacked your QB. You have to get rid of him. I am sure 2 #1 might cause you a cap hit but so what its better than have a player/team issue. I am sure if the Bengals asked for another player the skins would come off of it

TJ Jackson
04-23-2008, 02:29 PM
no need to be sorry - you're right on the money

he has to go

I will be screaming in agony if they let him suit up for a few games to to maintain his vesting years and moving his contract forward.

texas1054
04-24-2008, 06:31 AM
i dont want to insult the team in anyway but the bengals are rebuilding. CJ has to go. Trade him for 2 #1's. Get Ellis and Desean Jackson in the first. Then you have a early middle 2nd round pick. You basically get 2 first rounders and a high 2nd talent. Thats 3 players that can improve your team.

Then next season i think the bengals will pick in the top 10 again. Then i think Washington will pick around 20 again. You have 2 more first round talents plus a high 2nd round pick. Thats a 6 player upgrade over 2 years. That could be 3 stars on offense and 3 stars on D

TJ Jackson
04-24-2008, 08:17 AM
Well, technically, every team in one sense or another rebuilds every year. Always have to have that infusion of youth in this young man's sport.

So.....no offense perceived or taken :-)

The Bengals are either deluded that Chad will not only give in but then not tank the season and play the part of the locker room cancer. He may give in and play, but in doing so will harm the team more than help. Worst case is he reports late in the season and deprives a deserving player of a roster spot just so he can get an additional year of service.

The alternate scenario is that the Bengals are making an example of Chad, letting him rot so to speak while they hold his rights. How this scenario would play out is that Chad would be given an area far away from the rest of the players to practice and to dress, and might even have a assistant coach specifically assigned as his caretaker. For mandatory meetings, he'd be put in a seperate room and video conferenced in, with the sound coming back from this room muted. He'd get a snap or two in the preseason games, would be suspended for the first 4 games (the max the team is allowed) for conduct unbecoming, and inactive for the remainder. If there is even the slightest sign of an injury, he'd go on injured reserve at that moment, without hesitation. Yeah, we'd be on the hook for his salary....the CBA screws you that way.

The part of me that understands right from wrong will cheer this second scenario on, but the part of me that wants to win games knows we need to get whatever value we can out of him in a trade - even though I know this is letting Chad and Rosenhaus win, which I hate.

limaguy
04-25-2008, 06:59 AM
if they trade johnson they take a 8 million$ cap hit.

Trading Johnson also would mean Cincinnati would take an $8 million salary-cap hit, but that amount could be split over the next two years. Additionally, as one owner who wished to remain anonymous told ESPN.com, "There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

I don't care if he stays or goes.

A person like him is bad for the team in general.

If the hit is managable and if that move helps the team then it's foolish to just turn down anything that moves because then it becomes all about the battle of wills and as an owner that is not professionally managing your business.

Also Marv knew nothing about this.

SOP called the shots and never talked about it with his coach pretty much an indication where he stands in the decision making process.