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03-31-2008, 02:56 PM
By Patrick Patterson | March 31st, 2008
http://mvn.com/nfl-raiders/2008/03/31/oakland-raiders-and-trade-down-possibilities/
Much of the Raider Nation is practically begging Al Davis to trade down and collect more picks. Of course, this is the real NFL and not a franchise on Madden ‘09, where you can get picks for practically anyone. The Oakland Raiders need a team that would be willing to a) Trade up to the #4 position and b) Offer the Raiders enough value to get from their position to #4. Who are the potential partners for a trade down and what would the Raiders get?
Thoughts From the Dark Side
One of the hot topics for Raider fans has to be the idea of trading down to garner more picks. Right now it makes sense. The Raiders still have multiple holes to fill with now limited salary cap space and a shallow free agent pool. The knock against that is the Raiders have as many first round trade downs in their history as Steven Seagal has Academy Award nominations. However what kind of blog internet journalist would I be if I didn’t look at some possibilities? Don’t answer that. I know I am to journalism what former New York Governor Elliott Spitzer is to wholesome, fulfilling marriages.
Going pick by pick you have to start at pick 5 where sit the ketchup and mustard wearers from Kansas City. The Raiders are more likely to trade with Cuba than Kansas City, plus with different needs (KC needs a QB, any OL help, a QB, another WR, a QB, a CB and a QB), they don’t need to move up a spot. At picks 6 and 7 lies the first possibilities. You have the New York Jets and the New England Patriots. I think the Patriots would like to leapfrog the Jets to get either McFadden or Gholsten. The first move I would consider making would be to threaten the Jets with a trade with New England. Using the trade chart popularized by Jimmah Johnson, the difference between the 4th and 6th pick 200 points. 200 points on the chart is pick 78 which happens to be in the 3rd round, a round in which the Jets do not have a pick because of the trade to acquire DT and president of the Warren Sapp fan club Kris Jenkins. Xtra Sports via poster BlackHeart on Raiderfans.net says there is a talk of trade for the Raiders to move down with the pick to pick 6 for DE Kenyon Coleman of the Jets as well as formerly of the Raiders. Kenyon is more of a base end than pass rusher but here is the question I would ask, would you trade a 3rd round pick for him? I didn’t think so. Maybe a deal that included Fabian Washington and the Raiders 1st round pick for the Jets 1, 2, and 5th round pick or Coleman could be better.
New England is the recipient of San Francisco handing their first round pick this year for a deal last year that got the Niners OT Joe Staley. They do not have their own first round pick due to the penalty for their little foray into voyeurism. The Pats have their own second as well as two thirds. You know where they got the 2nd third rounder. New England also has a need at corner back. Going from pick 7 to pick 4 is a 300 point difference or pick 62. The Patriots pick 64th overall. That might with a 5th round pick could work or I would propose an interesting solution. Trade Pick 4 and Washington to New England for their 1st, 2nd and the Raiders 3rd round pick. That seems pretty unlikely the Patriots would give that to move up but you never know with them needing to rejuvenate that old LB core or running game, anything is possible.
The Raiders do have recent trade history with both teams. The Raiders traded with the Jets before draft day 2005 with the deal that sent Doug Jolley and a 2nd round pick for the Jets first and 7th round picks. Last year the Raiders made two trades with New England. The first being the one to acquire Mario Henderson and the other was trading Candy Moss for what turned out to be John Bowie.
The next team in the draft with mulitple day one picks is the Detroit Lions who have an extra third from the Shaun Rogers to Cleveland deal. Detroit picks at 15th and is in need of offensive tackles as astutely noted by former Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz. It would take the at least all of those picks which is probably more than they would want to give up. The Raiders and Lions did deal last draft weekend, the Raiders sending their 4th round selection for Josh McCown and Big Mike Williams.
And of course, for that Madden franchise like fantasy deal, there is the potential deal with the Darren McFadden enamored Dallas Cowboys. Dallas has 2 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd round pick. Dallas also has the need for cornerback. Jerry Jones has recently stated that the cost for moving up is too high. I don’t agree with that nor do I believe it. Jones is an Arkansas alum and reportedly would grin at the idea of having him if he could grin. Having your face vacuumed back to hide the wrinkles does that. Ask Burt Reynolds and Sly Stallone. The trade chart says pick 22, 28, and their 2nd round pick would be an equal deal. Still dealing Fabian Washington for a 3rd and a 5th rounder would be good for both teams.
http://mvn.com/nfl-raiders/2008/03/31/oakland-raiders-and-trade-down-possibilities/
Much of the Raider Nation is practically begging Al Davis to trade down and collect more picks. Of course, this is the real NFL and not a franchise on Madden ‘09, where you can get picks for practically anyone. The Oakland Raiders need a team that would be willing to a) Trade up to the #4 position and b) Offer the Raiders enough value to get from their position to #4. Who are the potential partners for a trade down and what would the Raiders get?
Thoughts From the Dark Side
One of the hot topics for Raider fans has to be the idea of trading down to garner more picks. Right now it makes sense. The Raiders still have multiple holes to fill with now limited salary cap space and a shallow free agent pool. The knock against that is the Raiders have as many first round trade downs in their history as Steven Seagal has Academy Award nominations. However what kind of blog internet journalist would I be if I didn’t look at some possibilities? Don’t answer that. I know I am to journalism what former New York Governor Elliott Spitzer is to wholesome, fulfilling marriages.
Going pick by pick you have to start at pick 5 where sit the ketchup and mustard wearers from Kansas City. The Raiders are more likely to trade with Cuba than Kansas City, plus with different needs (KC needs a QB, any OL help, a QB, another WR, a QB, a CB and a QB), they don’t need to move up a spot. At picks 6 and 7 lies the first possibilities. You have the New York Jets and the New England Patriots. I think the Patriots would like to leapfrog the Jets to get either McFadden or Gholsten. The first move I would consider making would be to threaten the Jets with a trade with New England. Using the trade chart popularized by Jimmah Johnson, the difference between the 4th and 6th pick 200 points. 200 points on the chart is pick 78 which happens to be in the 3rd round, a round in which the Jets do not have a pick because of the trade to acquire DT and president of the Warren Sapp fan club Kris Jenkins. Xtra Sports via poster BlackHeart on Raiderfans.net says there is a talk of trade for the Raiders to move down with the pick to pick 6 for DE Kenyon Coleman of the Jets as well as formerly of the Raiders. Kenyon is more of a base end than pass rusher but here is the question I would ask, would you trade a 3rd round pick for him? I didn’t think so. Maybe a deal that included Fabian Washington and the Raiders 1st round pick for the Jets 1, 2, and 5th round pick or Coleman could be better.
New England is the recipient of San Francisco handing their first round pick this year for a deal last year that got the Niners OT Joe Staley. They do not have their own first round pick due to the penalty for their little foray into voyeurism. The Pats have their own second as well as two thirds. You know where they got the 2nd third rounder. New England also has a need at corner back. Going from pick 7 to pick 4 is a 300 point difference or pick 62. The Patriots pick 64th overall. That might with a 5th round pick could work or I would propose an interesting solution. Trade Pick 4 and Washington to New England for their 1st, 2nd and the Raiders 3rd round pick. That seems pretty unlikely the Patriots would give that to move up but you never know with them needing to rejuvenate that old LB core or running game, anything is possible.
The Raiders do have recent trade history with both teams. The Raiders traded with the Jets before draft day 2005 with the deal that sent Doug Jolley and a 2nd round pick for the Jets first and 7th round picks. Last year the Raiders made two trades with New England. The first being the one to acquire Mario Henderson and the other was trading Candy Moss for what turned out to be John Bowie.
The next team in the draft with mulitple day one picks is the Detroit Lions who have an extra third from the Shaun Rogers to Cleveland deal. Detroit picks at 15th and is in need of offensive tackles as astutely noted by former Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz. It would take the at least all of those picks which is probably more than they would want to give up. The Raiders and Lions did deal last draft weekend, the Raiders sending their 4th round selection for Josh McCown and Big Mike Williams.
And of course, for that Madden franchise like fantasy deal, there is the potential deal with the Darren McFadden enamored Dallas Cowboys. Dallas has 2 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd round pick. Dallas also has the need for cornerback. Jerry Jones has recently stated that the cost for moving up is too high. I don’t agree with that nor do I believe it. Jones is an Arkansas alum and reportedly would grin at the idea of having him if he could grin. Having your face vacuumed back to hide the wrinkles does that. Ask Burt Reynolds and Sly Stallone. The trade chart says pick 22, 28, and their 2nd round pick would be an equal deal. Still dealing Fabian Washington for a 3rd and a 5th rounder would be good for both teams.