THe draft thread... Let it be big and plentyful and contained!

[slikmojet]

Can we keep it all here for now?

I say we end up with the #3 pick and DMC is our man. He becomes our gamebreaker from day one.

[NFLs StepChild]

I prefer many mini threads. All different positions. Players. Needs. Ect...

One thread will get hard to manage.

And we have to have many threads calling LL an idiot for his "in a vaccum" drafting rules , if for nothing more than continuitys sake.

[ncjet]

Mcfadden. I will go along with MSG that we improve the oline through FA. I want a home run hitter and I think this kid is it.

[ljs jets nj]

guys i could stick the thread but you guys post so much it would be full in a day or two..i love mcfadden i would just rather see our "needs" met though before we go for a luxury item like dmac

[NFLs StepChild]

If we get 3 new Olineman (say Faneca, Andrews, Smiley) and Drew Carter. I am all for McFadden. But he needs a powerful Run oriented Oline first. That is a HUGE reason for Adrian Petersons success in Minny. Yes he makes all the moves after he breaks free, and he is explosive, but the blocking is excellent for him. Mt McKinnie, Hutchison, and Birk are just excellent. If we get a guy with similar abilities, and give him the garbage we asked TJ to put up with it will effectively negate his value to this team.

Then I better also see Defensive drafting the rest of the way.

[Dirty Sanchez]

wont dmac be gone by the time we pick?

[slikmojet]

I prefer many mini threads. All different positions. Players. Needs. Ect...

One thread will get hard to manage.

And we have to have many threads calling LL an idiot for his "in a vaccum" drafting rules , if for nothing more than continuitys sake.

Well yeah, but lets' keep it contained here for now.

[AFL12]

at the combine? he looked real fast getting outside against LSU but I really didn't see him getting straight hand offs this year just a lot of brad smith type stuff

[ibleedgreen]

close LOSS Sunday? ;)

[ljs jets nj]

he should be a 4.4 type guy long legs like a sprinter..you bbring up a great point AFL, you didnt see dmac do alot of nfl type offense..

[Dirty Sanchez]

I'm not crazy about his inside running at all. he's ganna get his head handed to him with his style.

[Unknown]

That's one of the main reasons I'm not as gaga over McFadden as most are. Sure he's a big time athlete with versatility but most of the plays he makes are runs that are bounced outside or runs when he's lined up at QB. Sure he breaks the occasional arm tackle and he might be able to truck a smaller CB but his legs are like twigs. His leg drive leaves a lot to be desired which I'd worry about in short yardage situations where he won't always be able to just bounce it to the outside. He's a special talent but I feel that the way you'd get the best usage out of him is by manufacturing ways to get him in space rather than him squeezing through a small crease and him trying to drag defenders for extra yards, something he doesn't do well.

If RB were the last spot to be filled on this team then maybe. I'm very high on his teammate Peyton Hillis, I'd like to see us get him to fill our glaring need at FB. Maybe if we were in a position where most of our needs were filled we could take McFadden and Hillis as well, have him handle the short yardage running. I just don't see how McFadden makes us that much better as a team. Sure we'd have more speed but is it really worth it when we can just upgrade the OL, get a real FB and wind up with a capable rushing attack regardless. I'd prefer to address the D with our early picks personally rather than making a luxury pick.

[ibleedgreen]

This guys is not going to be the next Adrian Peterson. That's my prediction. I'd pass for a Lineman on either side of the ball, a nice OLB pass rusher or a top DB.

[JetJim]

I like the kid well enough, but as we have seen, solid RB's can be found in the later rounds. I want Laurinaitis with our first pick. He and Harris would have the inside nailed down for the next decade or so. The 3-4 defense must be solid up the middle. We need a gap-eating NT and two beasts at ILB if this D is ever going to be effective. My philosophy is to build from the core outward. I would take the best ILB available first and then look to NT, OLB, and then DE in that order. Then, like what many have already posted, we improve the o-line through FA. Just MHO of course, but if we don't bring in the 3-4 type bodies we need to shut down our opponent's inside running game, its going to be another long season next year!

[Unknown]

If we're going to go ILB we'd be better served to take Beau Bell in the 2nd if we wind up getting another 2nd rounder for Vilma. An ILB when we'll likely be drafting top 5 might not be the best option when we need a pass rush so badly. Unless Baltimore somehow doesn't tag Suggs and we get him I can't see us going ILB that high.

[JetJim]

if we were to have the #3 overall I would seriously consider trading down (if possible) to the #10-15 range and take Laurinaitis there if he is still available. If he's not on the board at that point, and you still want an ILB then maybe trade further down and take Conner or Bell. If OLB is the focus then Gholston in the #10-15 range there would be a decent pick. My point is that we don't need another RB at this stage. I want a playmaker for our defense with our first pick. Laurinaitis can be that at ILB. Gholston at OLB. But either way we go, I would like to see us take one of these top defensive LB's in the first round, or trade down, take the guy we need and maybe even stockpile some picks.

[Unknown]

We're on the same page when it comes to McFadden. It's incredibly tough to trade down this day and age though. Not so sure who'd want to move up this high and have to worry about paying a rook upwards of 20 mil guaranteed. Maybe if someone like Carolina covets Matt Ryan they'd do it.

[ret2ski]

The rumor has been that Jerry Jones really, really wants McF, but how can he pay the price when his backup RB just made the probowl?

And if we stay at 3 overall he would have to pay a vary steep price to trade up to our position. According to the value chart it would cost him both 1sts & his second this year and his first next year.

That said I don't think I make that trade if I'm the Jets as our first pick would be at #23 overall & the impact player I want (Gholston) will certainly be gone by that time.

[ganggreen76]

I think Chris Long will be the guy. We could use a gamebreaker on offense but we need a pass rush badly.

Give Leon Washington more touches.

[NFLs StepChild]

I think you can get Leman in the 3rd/4th and be pretty set at ILB.

[JetJim]

as I see it. We need defensive help badly, but as unknown stated, the #3 overall pick is probably too high to spend on a linebacker. Trading down is tough, but not impossible, and may be our best bet in the long run. Tangini showed that they were willing and able to move up to get "their guys" and we got Revis and Harris as a result. I am hoping to see them be able to to just the opposite this year. Can they show that they are able to trade down, get value for their picks, and still get "their guys?" If we do have the #3 overall, and DMC is still available, I have to believe that someone out there will be willing to trade up for him. I know that there are several teams out there who have him rated as the best available player this year. That is our best hope for this scenario as I see it. DMC is considered to be valuable enough by some teams to justify the trade up. If we could partner with say, the Lions, we could package Vilma and our pick for who knows what kind of package of players and picks. We could maybe even get our #1 WR as some have already speculated while also stockpiling and moving into a better position to take "our guys."
As I see it, we are in a stronger position here than many think right now. The one thing we can count on in the offseason is the NFL hype machine. The league wants to keep football in people's minds year round so they pick a few guys who project well, and then create a sense of competition to keep the fan base engaged. By the time the draft rolls around the hype machine will have been pumping up DMC as the "answer" for several months. Some GM and HC who are already on thin ice will see DMC as a way to reenergize their team and fill seats and they will be willing to sell the farm for him. I see us as (possibly) being in an excellent position to trade down at that point.

[RsmtFan]

What if Pennington gets traded, who will be the backup Qb? Is Clemens the answer? There must be allot of questions that must be answered by Mangini and Tannenbaum I would think.

[jimmyjet52]

as I see it. We need defensive help badly, but as unknown stated, the #3 overall pick is probably too high to spend on a linebacker. Trading down is tough, but not impossible, and may be our best bet in the long run. Tangini showed that they were willing and able to move up to get "their guys" and we got Revis and Harris as a result. I am hoping to see them be able to to just the opposite this year. Can they show that they are able to trade down, get value for their picks, and still get "their guys?" If we do have the #3 overall, and DMC is still available, I have to believe that someone out there will be willing to trade up for him. I know that there are several teams out there who have him rated as the best available player this year. That is our best hope for this scenario as I see it. DMC is considered to be valuable enough by some teams to justify the trade up. If we could partner with say, the Lions, we could package Vilma and our pick for who knows what kind of package of players and picks. We could maybe even get our #1 WR as some have already speculated while also stockpiling and moving into a better position to take "our guys."
As I see it, we are in a stronger position here than many think right now. The one thing we can count on in the offseason is the NFL hype machine. The league wants to keep football in people's minds year round so they pick a few guys who project well, and then create a sense of competition to keep the fan base engaged. By the time the draft rolls around the hype machine will have been pumping up DMC as the "answer" for several months. Some GM and HC who are already on thin ice will see DMC as a way to reenergize their team and fill seats and they will be willing to sell the farm for him. I see us as (possibly) being in an excellent position to trade down at that point.


i mentioned in another thread that picking 3rd in this draft can be a great position....either DMC or the 1st qb on the board will be sitting there and like u mentioned about the hype (see reggie bush)we can score BIG TIME dropping down.....every year we talk about tradin g down ands it never happens because it is just not easy to do but this year could actually be differnet......